Spearing O'Driscoll is alright then?
Posted by: MichaelC on 25 October 2005
Well, judging by the newly released pictures on Sky and the RFU's stance the answer must be yes.
Posted on: 19 November 2005 by Chris Kelly
Huw
Thanks for that link. I was actually at that game - it was probably the best match I've ever attended. Still spinetingling to watch that Edwards try.
Let's just hope today's game is hard but fairly fought.
Thanks for that link. I was actually at that game - it was probably the best match I've ever attended. Still spinetingling to watch that Edwards try.
Let's just hope today's game is hard but fairly fought.
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by JonR
Mike,
As I understand it, a spear tackle involves a player picking up his opponent around the waist and throwing him to the ground, head first.
Cheers,
Jon
As I understand it, a spear tackle involves a player picking up his opponent around the waist and throwing him to the ground, head first.
Cheers,
Jon
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Jay
Mike/Jon
Basically as you said Jon but usually the feet need to be above the head and there must be force driving the tackled player into the ground...
Pretty vicious all in all.
No actual defn of a spear tackle in rugby. As per the link I provided earlier there's a wider Dangerous Tackle law.
Cheers
J
Basically as you said Jon but usually the feet need to be above the head and there must be force driving the tackled player into the ground...
Pretty vicious all in all.
No actual defn of a spear tackle in rugby. As per the link I provided earlier there's a wider Dangerous Tackle law.
Cheers
J
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Huwge
iirc the spear tackle first appeared in rugby league, hence their more explicit wording regarding dangerous tackles:
"Section 15, Law 1 (d), Notes 1 (d) of the rugby league laws state: If, in any tackle of, or contact with, an opponent that player is so lifted that he is placed in a position where it is likely that the first part of his body to make contact with the ground will be his head or neck (the dangerous position), then that tackle or contact will be deemed to be a dangerous throw unless, with the exercise of reasonable care, the dangerous position could not have been avoided."
A spear tackle is fairly brutal, but imho, referees who have no idea of front row play are more of a liability - especially when refereeing the age group 11 through 19. I have witnessed, first hand, some horrible mismatches and one irreversible neck injury.
Often referred to as a dark-art, front row play is a vital feature of the union game and it is a shame that coaches don't spend more time educating young players. A spear tackle usually occurs in open play and should be instantly visible to referee, touch judges and spectators. A poor referee has no idea what happens once the front rows engage.
I am not trying to minimise the spear tackle, it has no place on the park. I just feel there are other areas in need of review.
I loved playing rugby and was always lucky to have good coaches. The brutality of the sport that many refer to is not a result of the game itself, but bad coaching and bad refereeing. Yes, there are some idiots but no more than in any other sport. As for rugby, there are very few team games that are as accessible to all shapes, sizes and competencies as the union game.
"Section 15, Law 1 (d), Notes 1 (d) of the rugby league laws state: If, in any tackle of, or contact with, an opponent that player is so lifted that he is placed in a position where it is likely that the first part of his body to make contact with the ground will be his head or neck (the dangerous position), then that tackle or contact will be deemed to be a dangerous throw unless, with the exercise of reasonable care, the dangerous position could not have been avoided."
A spear tackle is fairly brutal, but imho, referees who have no idea of front row play are more of a liability - especially when refereeing the age group 11 through 19. I have witnessed, first hand, some horrible mismatches and one irreversible neck injury.
Often referred to as a dark-art, front row play is a vital feature of the union game and it is a shame that coaches don't spend more time educating young players. A spear tackle usually occurs in open play and should be instantly visible to referee, touch judges and spectators. A poor referee has no idea what happens once the front rows engage.
I am not trying to minimise the spear tackle, it has no place on the park. I just feel there are other areas in need of review.
I loved playing rugby and was always lucky to have good coaches. The brutality of the sport that many refer to is not a result of the game itself, but bad coaching and bad refereeing. Yes, there are some idiots but no more than in any other sport. As for rugby, there are very few team games that are as accessible to all shapes, sizes and competencies as the union game.
Posted on: 21 December 2005 by PatG
Hi Jay
Looks like my post really got under your skin! I am more than happy that you replied with conviction. Perhaps it is only by having these discussions that we can recreate an environment where the playing of international and other matches has some meaning.
I take it that you don't actually have any issue about any facts contained in my post so it is only a matter of how one perceives the situation?
One only had to look at any of the media commentary during and after the test series to see what the general perception was (over here).
Mr Umaga (note the respectful "Mr" title) chose (underline the word "chose") to act as he did in the immediate aftermath of the incident. He made his choice to depart from the accepted norms of international Captaincy. By doing this, he avoided censure from the governing body but opened himself up to public criticism. This is the only sanction that can be imposed on him.
I have no problem with "tough" or "robust" players as long as they operate within the rules. I find it surprising that you seek to pass judgement on my knowledge of the game, despite your only knowledge of me is that I played at international level in my youth?
No, I do mean "Glory". My words are chosen carefully.
Are you admitting to your side being cheats? And are you conding this because everyone does is and can get away with it. Is this really the type if environment that should be created for the next generation? If so, then please tell me that you are not involved in the development of youth in your job or past times as I certainly would not want youngsters to be brought up in such an environment.
Your oninion which I have already challenged. I can see why you consider him as such, undoubtedly a great player, but a Captain is also a representative of his team (and in this case, Country) and needs to be beyond reproach
Looks like youv'e lost the plot here, Jay. Who are you to pass judgment.
Next time you talk to your colleagues, ask them what do they think of Paula DiCannio formerly of West Ham United. There is a role model for sportsmanly behavior. He is the type of player that youngsters can aspire to be.
He's is the guy I'd like to have a pint after the game with. If it were ever the case that you decided that winning was not the most important facet of sport and that cheating was to be rejected in all its forms, I'd like to think that I too, could share a pint after a game with you. I've done it before with sport living Kiws and I'd like to do it again.
Yours sincerely in sport.
P
Looks like my post really got under your skin! I am more than happy that you replied with conviction. Perhaps it is only by having these discussions that we can recreate an environment where the playing of international and other matches has some meaning.
I take it that you don't actually have any issue about any facts contained in my post so it is only a matter of how one perceives the situation?
One only had to look at any of the media commentary during and after the test series to see what the general perception was (over here).
Mr Umaga (note the respectful "Mr" title) chose (underline the word "chose") to act as he did in the immediate aftermath of the incident. He made his choice to depart from the accepted norms of international Captaincy. By doing this, he avoided censure from the governing body but opened himself up to public criticism. This is the only sanction that can be imposed on him.
quote:I don't think the NZ team wishes to win at all costs, I don't think any team does. There have been "uncompromising" players from all nations over the years. The English team prides itself on being tough, always has. It's been in the game since year dot.
I find it very surprising that as a previous player you don't know this?
I have no problem with "tough" or "robust" players as long as they operate within the rules. I find it surprising that you seek to pass judgement on my knowledge of the game, despite your only knowledge of me is that I played at international level in my youth?
quote:Winning without glory? I think you mean winning without honour. If I saw the Irish team lose last weekend without "spirit", does that offset a win without honour?
If you accusing the AB's of cheating, well I'm afraid....you'd be right! You'd also find it extremely hard to find any team that does not cheat at any level of the game. The game is full of technicalities and subjective rulings - even the damn refs can't agree! If you'd be so kind as to direct me to an International game where an individual team did not infringe (cheat), I'd be most grateful.
No, I do mean "Glory". My words are chosen carefully.
Are you admitting to your side being cheats? And are you conding this because everyone does is and can get away with it. Is this really the type if environment that should be created for the next generation? If so, then please tell me that you are not involved in the development of youth in your job or past times as I certainly would not want youngsters to be brought up in such an environment.
quote:Tana Umaga is an outstanding NZer, All Black and leader. If you're going to take one incident and "brand" a career player then your opinion is neither well considered or honorable IMHO.
Your oninion which I have already challenged. I can see why you consider him as such, undoubtedly a great player, but a Captain is also a representative of his team (and in this case, Country) and needs to be beyond reproach
[/QUOTE]quote:quote:Yours in Sport. P
I don't think your post really had much to do about sport Pat. I think you're being a tad disingenuous there.
I have some great "discussions" with my work colleagues and friends about rugby matters here in the UK. They're intensive but good natured and respectful. I would really like to think that the Naim forum would be like that too. Alas the internet allows some to behave like like Ren and Stimpy.
I'd be the first to step up and say everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but there's opinion and then there's just crap....
Jay
Looks like youv'e lost the plot here, Jay. Who are you to pass judgment.
Next time you talk to your colleagues, ask them what do they think of Paula DiCannio formerly of West Ham United. There is a role model for sportsmanly behavior. He is the type of player that youngsters can aspire to be.
He's is the guy I'd like to have a pint after the game with. If it were ever the case that you decided that winning was not the most important facet of sport and that cheating was to be rejected in all its forms, I'd like to think that I too, could share a pint after a game with you. I've done it before with sport living Kiws and I'd like to do it again.
Yours sincerely in sport.
P
Posted on: 21 December 2005 by Jay
Took your time Pat!
Other priorities obviously......maybe teaching the morals to the kiddies no doubt
I'm looking forward to watching the Six Nations.
Jay
PS. Paula DiCannio is obviously that unsavoury footballers wife or daughter.
Other priorities obviously......maybe teaching the morals to the kiddies no doubt
I'm looking forward to watching the Six Nations.
Jay
PS. Paula DiCannio is obviously that unsavoury footballers wife or daughter.
Posted on: 21 December 2005 by PatG
Hi Jay
Yes, I was distracted by my brand New Naim DVD5 breaking down and having to go back to the factory.
My dealer tells me that Naim opened it up, taking one look at it and then deciding to give my dealer a brand new one!
Regards P
Yes, I was distracted by my brand New Naim DVD5 breaking down and having to go back to the factory.
My dealer tells me that Naim opened it up, taking one look at it and then deciding to give my dealer a brand new one!
Regards P