What are the best subwoffer :n-Sub or Velodyne DD10 ?

My brother uses a Velodine DD-18. Can't really describe the result by words, you've got to feel it through your feet and stomac! This is incredible. He tested the DD-10, too; said he couldn't believe such a small-sized sub could produce such an astonishing result. Almost as good as the DD-18 is.

Yes ,maybe a DD18 are a big and great sub .

I compare a same loudspeaker (250 mm).

I currently run two DD15s in a large room. They really are a first-class sub, and their big advantage is their built-in equalisation, a killer feature in my view.

I've not listened to n.Subs in my own environment but I've heard them elsewhere and they sound very good. I think their advantage is the on-board amplification, which is basically a NAP 250. Velodynes use digital amplification which is very powerful - 1.25 Kw - and so has lots of headroom if you want to go loud (I do!) but isn't of the same quality as the n.sub.

My feeling is that n.subs are probably the best option if you have a more modest-sized room that isn't acoustically "difficult". Bear in mind also that n.Subs are also fully adjustable for crossover, volume etc.

Yes ,the velodyne DD serie are a beautiful on-board amplification and great equalisation.

tony

are you using the subs for movies or music

Hi Neil. Movies only ,although I've got some multichannel DVD-As & SACDs which don't sound bad through my AV2 processor.

thats the only pain , as it cant do both

i wonder if theres a way of getting a signal out of the 552 into the velodynes for music

neil

Interesting question Neil. I believe there is a way. One of the tape outs perhaps for a line-level output?

But my understanding is for the best result you need the high-level speaker output.

With an nsub you can programme in up to six settings for music, movies, or whatever. I'm very pleased with mine, which integrates totally with the speakers. You only know what it's doing when you turn it off. And its advantage in a Naim system is that it sounds like Naim....

Nigel

...as you can the Velodyne Nigel. All the settings are hugely tweakable via its inbuilt software - you plug it into your display then set what you want via the remote.

I confess I had mine set up initially by a chap from Velodyne & other than lowering the crossover point & the various volumes, due to a change in room furniture & stuff I've reset the room equalisation. To do this you plug in the supplied microphone, positioned at your listening position, phono leads into your amp., video output into your display, then set the thing off. It produces a sweep tone via the surround speakers, listens to this tone & produces a graph of the room's acoustics. You can then tweak by raising the troughs & smoothing the peaks. Damn clever and in my room extremely effective!

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Originally posted by hungryhalibut:
With an nsub you can programme in up to six settings for music, movies, or whatever. I'm very pleased with mine, which integrates totally with the speakers. You only know what it's doing when you turn it off. And its advantage in a Naim system is that it sounds like Naim....

Nigel

if you only know what its doing when you turn it off , then how can you possibly tell that it sounds like a naim

neil

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if you only know what its doing when you turn it off , then how can you possibly tell that it sounds like a naim

Hehe, good point!!

Nigel

Nicholas,

In terms of sheer bass depth, there isn't much between them. The Velodyne has the wonderful room EQ software so if your room has very awkward modes, it may give better results. However, my impression is (and it is an impression) that the n-Sub seems to suffer less from cabinet noise than the DD-10. I am more easily aware of the DD-10 than the n-Sub therefore. When you add the fact that you can buy a Velodyne SMS-1 (that's the room EQ software in a separate box) and n-Sub for similar money to the DD-10, I think I'd go for the n-Sub solution...

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Originally posted by munch:
Do the Velodyne's have a remote?

yes

In fact, both Velodyne and n-Sub have remote control.

The n-Sub allows you to setup several paramters and store them in several different configurations, so you can set it up separately for late night listening, AV, or music use.

The DD-10 comes with built-in software that allows you to set it up using a microsphone and a built-in digital graphical equalizer (essentially). You attach it to your tv and set it up according to what is happening in the room. This is probably the most advanced room EQ software available for sensible money. It also has more basic controls on the remote and presets a la n-Sub. Precisely the same software is available in a separate black box called the SMS-1. This allows you to attach up to 4 subs at once and use the same room EQ software to control their respective outputs - very clever, and all for around £600!