Did this forum lose its punch?
Posted by: Arye_Gur on 05 April 2010
Few years ago, there was no title " " FORUM RULES - Please Read & Follow."." and the forum was much more "alive". I remember the very "hot" argues like about steps that were taken by Naim - like the new shape, like argues about the directionality of a... fuse, articles and photos about modification to Naim equipment, Vuk claiming that the Fraim is based on his idea, members telling that Mana rack is a better upgrade than going from 82/180 to 52/250. all around, things were much more "sparkling".
I read this forum almost on daily base - but I can't "feel" it like before. Adam's rules are kept well but the liveliness that is one of the very best feature of my Naim system - is lost in the Naim forum.
The forum seems to be like a branch of the Naim spoke man. Many times I ask myself - why to hell this member doesn't ask Naim this question? They answer quickly, in details and they are very polite. For sure they have the best knowledge about their own equipment.
Many people are asking about Naim on other forums (few are asking the same question in both forums). The idea is that on other forums the answers are more objective. I don't think that it is a good idea for Naim and for this forum to keep hard rules here and let the "open" world (people who can think about other pieces of equipment but Naim) thinking that this is not the place of receiving "true" answers about Naim and its competition in the view of Naim's lovers.
Reading other forums makes me believe that I'm not the only person on earth who thinks so.
So I'm asking Adam: Lose the rules in a way that will keep this forum as a Naim one but will bring life back to this place.
And if my feelings are not true, nothing happens. I will not relate too seriously to this forum but I'll stay with my Naim system and with the thought and feeling that Naim are manufacturing great stereo systems and not so great forum to chat about their products in.
Arye
I read this forum almost on daily base - but I can't "feel" it like before. Adam's rules are kept well but the liveliness that is one of the very best feature of my Naim system - is lost in the Naim forum.
The forum seems to be like a branch of the Naim spoke man. Many times I ask myself - why to hell this member doesn't ask Naim this question? They answer quickly, in details and they are very polite. For sure they have the best knowledge about their own equipment.
Many people are asking about Naim on other forums (few are asking the same question in both forums). The idea is that on other forums the answers are more objective. I don't think that it is a good idea for Naim and for this forum to keep hard rules here and let the "open" world (people who can think about other pieces of equipment but Naim) thinking that this is not the place of receiving "true" answers about Naim and its competition in the view of Naim's lovers.
Reading other forums makes me believe that I'm not the only person on earth who thinks so.
So I'm asking Adam: Lose the rules in a way that will keep this forum as a Naim one but will bring life back to this place.
And if my feelings are not true, nothing happens. I will not relate too seriously to this forum but I'll stay with my Naim system and with the thought and feeling that Naim are manufacturing great stereo systems and not so great forum to chat about their products in.
Arye
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Mike-B
Shalom Arye, I (maybe) 75% agree
Naim forum is a good place to discuss & read the strictly Naim focused stuff & for this I find it a very informative read.
It does contain a lot of high end which I find very interesting as I plan eventually to go that way. But in the meantime I am very medium mid range & will stay with for a few more years for many reasons that include commitments to other time & travel consuming interests.
PFM is good for Naim also, but more so as the rules are more liberal
But very much so if the Naim competitive alternatives are under discussion. These are extremely informative & you may be right & maybe its why the Naim forum has lost the edge. I understand the need to not give these competitors a free ride, but its a hard balancing judgement that frankly can never be the right one. One or two PFM contributors are very good & IMO if so encouraged could be very good for Naim as they do write well focused objective material.
(wonder way the UK magazines don't review these competitors) (don't answer that - another endless goat trail)
I do find some of Naim & PFM & for that matter all other forums pointless & repetitive
Maybe its a result of so many forums around that people are gotten used to the forum writing style, maybe its the newness has worn off & its all gone stale & maybe too much of mine & many (all) of my friends pet hates with forums.........
The endless discussions on the same old same old
The mind sets that insists on proving they alone are right even when the ping-pong game resorts to insults (Padded Cell)
The people who make a purchase then set about proving to the world (read = themselves) that they made the right purchase.
The cable (or other similar) enthusiast who either have the ears of a Bat Eared Fox or are on hallucinating writing enhanced substances.
Say hello to sunny Haifa (& TA) its been a long time.
Naim forum is a good place to discuss & read the strictly Naim focused stuff & for this I find it a very informative read.
It does contain a lot of high end which I find very interesting as I plan eventually to go that way. But in the meantime I am very medium mid range & will stay with for a few more years for many reasons that include commitments to other time & travel consuming interests.
PFM is good for Naim also, but more so as the rules are more liberal
But very much so if the Naim competitive alternatives are under discussion. These are extremely informative & you may be right & maybe its why the Naim forum has lost the edge. I understand the need to not give these competitors a free ride, but its a hard balancing judgement that frankly can never be the right one. One or two PFM contributors are very good & IMO if so encouraged could be very good for Naim as they do write well focused objective material.
(wonder way the UK magazines don't review these competitors) (don't answer that - another endless goat trail)
I do find some of Naim & PFM & for that matter all other forums pointless & repetitive
Maybe its a result of so many forums around that people are gotten used to the forum writing style, maybe its the newness has worn off & its all gone stale & maybe too much of mine & many (all) of my friends pet hates with forums.........
The endless discussions on the same old same old
The mind sets that insists on proving they alone are right even when the ping-pong game resorts to insults (Padded Cell)
The people who make a purchase then set about proving to the world (read = themselves) that they made the right purchase.
The cable (or other similar) enthusiast who either have the ears of a Bat Eared Fox or are on hallucinating writing enhanced substances.
Say hello to sunny Haifa (& TA) its been a long time.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Richard Dane
Arye,
the rules have been borne through many years experience with the Naim forum. It's important that there is a framework within which everyone knows the bounds. The principle is to allow free discussion of Music, Naim or non-Naim equipment and systems, and general subjects, but within a clear set of rules, and with a level of respect for other members that everybody can understand. This may make for a less "exciting" forum, but the alternative is something I don't think anybody wants, and something that tends to marginalise members - what you end up with is a place that is like a fairly unruly "members club" where few new particpants are brave enough to enter and personal agendas are never far from the surface.
As an aside, I don't wish this thread to turn into a comparison between forums or to invite cross-forum discussion, so please do not mention specific other forums here.
the rules have been borne through many years experience with the Naim forum. It's important that there is a framework within which everyone knows the bounds. The principle is to allow free discussion of Music, Naim or non-Naim equipment and systems, and general subjects, but within a clear set of rules, and with a level of respect for other members that everybody can understand. This may make for a less "exciting" forum, but the alternative is something I don't think anybody wants, and something that tends to marginalise members - what you end up with is a place that is like a fairly unruly "members club" where few new particpants are brave enough to enter and personal agendas are never far from the surface.
As an aside, I don't wish this thread to turn into a comparison between forums or to invite cross-forum discussion, so please do not mention specific other forums here.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Mick P
Hi Arye
This forum must be at least fifteen years old, if not longer. I think I came in when it was about 1 year old. What you have to remember is that times and people change and this forum is no exception.
This forum was the first ever forum to be formed and was quickly followed by Mana and that situation stayed static for a few years. I think it is fair to say that the contributors back then where a lot more enthusiastic and forceful in their views. Also both Mana and Naim were company based and that alone affected the discussions. I would say back in those days, 50% of the disussions on hifi were on stands (mainly Mana and the Vukwich), 40% on Naim and 10% on other stuff such as cables and mains.
Today there are many other forums, we have all got older and the Naim forum now tends to attract the pro Naimees so that alone will influence what goes on here.
The question of stands has now all but disappeared and that were was most of the passion laid.
So yes we are older and calmer and we clog up
Naims bandwidth with drivel such as "is it snowing in your part of the country" etc.
The Naim forum serves perfectly the needs of those who wish to buy Naim, it acts as a sort of owners club for those who have it and it serves as a good marketing information data base for Naim, so in that sense it is sucessful.
The only "excitement" if you can call it that is on the topics of the snow fell 3" here so I am more snowed up than you.
That is what happens to established fora populated by men whose hobby is sitting sedately on chairs listening to music and the same is slowly happening on the other fora as well.
If you want excitement, switch off your pc and do something physical.
Regards
Mick
This forum must be at least fifteen years old, if not longer. I think I came in when it was about 1 year old. What you have to remember is that times and people change and this forum is no exception.
This forum was the first ever forum to be formed and was quickly followed by Mana and that situation stayed static for a few years. I think it is fair to say that the contributors back then where a lot more enthusiastic and forceful in their views. Also both Mana and Naim were company based and that alone affected the discussions. I would say back in those days, 50% of the disussions on hifi were on stands (mainly Mana and the Vukwich), 40% on Naim and 10% on other stuff such as cables and mains.
Today there are many other forums, we have all got older and the Naim forum now tends to attract the pro Naimees so that alone will influence what goes on here.
The question of stands has now all but disappeared and that were was most of the passion laid.
So yes we are older and calmer and we clog up
Naims bandwidth with drivel such as "is it snowing in your part of the country" etc.
The Naim forum serves perfectly the needs of those who wish to buy Naim, it acts as a sort of owners club for those who have it and it serves as a good marketing information data base for Naim, so in that sense it is sucessful.
The only "excitement" if you can call it that is on the topics of the snow fell 3" here so I am more snowed up than you.
That is what happens to established fora populated by men whose hobby is sitting sedately on chairs listening to music and the same is slowly happening on the other fora as well.
If you want excitement, switch off your pc and do something physical.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by David Scott
Arye,
I'm a veteran too - I joined in 2000, but lost that membership as I changed email etc. during a lull. You and Mick are right. It did used to be lot more fun and whatever Richard says, I would gladly go back to the old ways, uncivil though they could be. But this is, in the end, a marketing tool for Naim and the old forum probably didn't fit with the image they wanted to present at times! It's good to still see you here from time to time.
Mick, you're maturing like a fine wine. This
David
I'm a veteran too - I joined in 2000, but lost that membership as I changed email etc. during a lull. You and Mick are right. It did used to be lot more fun and whatever Richard says, I would gladly go back to the old ways, uncivil though they could be. But this is, in the end, a marketing tool for Naim and the old forum probably didn't fit with the image they wanted to present at times! It's good to still see you here from time to time.
Mick, you're maturing like a fine wine. This
is one of the funniest things I've seen here for a while.quote:That is what happens to established fora populated by men whose hobby is sitting sedately on chairs listening to music
David
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by tonym
My experience of internet forums is that activity waxes and wanes. New posters ask advice, sort out the bit of kit or buy something else and then reduce their postings, sometimes just disappearing altogether.
A new component emerges from the Naim fortress, we all get excited, a flurry of posts and then it all dies down.
We're going through a bit of a lull at the moment & I really don't think it's anything to do with moderation on this forum. I think most folk don't post anti-Naim stuff on here because it's rather discourteous to our very tolerant hosts.
A new component emerges from the Naim fortress, we all get excited, a flurry of posts and then it all dies down.
We're going through a bit of a lull at the moment & I really don't think it's anything to do with moderation on this forum. I think most folk don't post anti-Naim stuff on here because it's rather discourteous to our very tolerant hosts.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Joe Bibb
Naim are entitled to moderate their own forum purely to their commercial interest. The fact that they don't do that, is very much to their credit.
FWIW I think Richard's hand has been refreshingly light on the edit button given the nature of debate. Obviously you would expect an 'owner's club' enthusiasm as well as trade interest at times but it's transparent enough and options exist for people who want less subjective comment.
It's usually a fun place and you get to learn a lot especially in the Music Room, come and try the Champagne in there, Whizzkid's buying.
Joe
FWIW I think Richard's hand has been refreshingly light on the edit button given the nature of debate. Obviously you would expect an 'owner's club' enthusiasm as well as trade interest at times but it's transparent enough and options exist for people who want less subjective comment.
It's usually a fun place and you get to learn a lot especially in the Music Room, come and try the Champagne in there, Whizzkid's buying.
Joe
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Exiled Highlander
Ayre
I couldn't disagree more - but Richard may prune this reply as it may stir up some strong feelings - which was not my intent but I had to disagree with your statement.
Regards
Jim
quote:The idea is that on other forums the answers are more objective.
I couldn't disagree more - but Richard may prune this reply as it may stir up some strong feelings - which was not my intent but I had to disagree with your statement.
Regards
Jim
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by deadlifter
I think you may find there are quite a lot of us that lurk in the shadows venturing in now and again to ask the odd daft question, as you do.but although i`m to be found in the padded cell in the forum rugby club most of the time, i do spend a fair bit of time looking through the HiFi corner and trying to learn as well as drooling over pictures of members systems dreaming what could be in time to come 
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Tony Lockhart
A car forum I regularly visit is changing beyond recognition. The model of car involved is now falling into the hands of council estate scum (that should stir things up!!) and it shows in the threads and replies. I'll find a good example if I can be bothered.
I had to take a break from the place recently as I wanted to punch a few faces in! I've never felt like that 'here'.
Tony
I had to take a break from the place recently as I wanted to punch a few faces in! I've never felt like that 'here'.
Tony
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
TonyM makes sense to me.
I also feel that the Forum has changed in tobe over the last few years - I can recall, for example, Ayre and I arguing strenuously about Israeli / IDF behaviour in the Occupied territories but we never for a moment made personal jibes and I'd happily have a beer with him.
Too many poaters here cannot deal with robust argument and take it personally, throwing insults around and generally getting petulent.
The membership has also increased a great deal and so its harder to build up "relationships" onlie.
I actually think that the loss of Private Messaging also does nothing to help, tbh.
Still enjoy a good deal of the posts here.
M
I also feel that the Forum has changed in tobe over the last few years - I can recall, for example, Ayre and I arguing strenuously about Israeli / IDF behaviour in the Occupied territories but we never for a moment made personal jibes and I'd happily have a beer with him.
Too many poaters here cannot deal with robust argument and take it personally, throwing insults around and generally getting petulent.
The membership has also increased a great deal and so its harder to build up "relationships" onlie.
I actually think that the loss of Private Messaging also does nothing to help, tbh.
Still enjoy a good deal of the posts here.
M
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by David Scott
The Halal meat thread which has just been pulled was incredibly bland compared to what used to happen here, so moderation has definitely changed. I think this is a real pity, but the forum is part of Naim's marketing/customer service provision, so unfortunately they're perfectly entitled to moderate as they see fit.
The political discussions here used to be terrific. Because people had been brought together by music/hifi, rather than politics, many shades of opinion were represented and I think everyone learned a great deal - even from the mud-slinging. I have friends who don't believe me when I tell them some of the things that are said here, because they only ever spend time with people who think the same way they do.
It would be great to have it back the way it used to be, but it's not likely to happen.
The political discussions here used to be terrific. Because people had been brought together by music/hifi, rather than politics, many shades of opinion were represented and I think everyone learned a great deal - even from the mud-slinging. I have friends who don't believe me when I tell them some of the things that are said here, because they only ever spend time with people who think the same way they do.
It would be great to have it back the way it used to be, but it's not likely to happen.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by u5227470736789439
The Halal meat thread which has just been pulled... really had nowhere to go. The fact that it has disappeared does not strike me particularly sad. One could read more extreme points made any day of the week in the Red-top tabloid press in the UK, and probably that is fair enough.
I first found the Forum in 2003, and I don't think it does so badly. I don't miss the big hitters of those days!
The same questions arrive with inevitable repetitiveness because people do not use the Search Engine. Probably people like to actually have a direct answer to their particular [if oft asked] question, whereas reading old threads may be less interesting!
As for robust debating, all too often this breaks down from intense disagreements about opinion into personal abuse, and yet it is always the rude person firing personal insults who has so obviously lost the argument. Sometimes it is almost like watching an inevitable car accident! Almost compelling to see it tipping into the flailing off a very angry person who has lost the point, but cannot accept that they are wrong or have been out-debated.
This is a lesson for life, and the big personality will gracefully concede the point.
This is too rare, but it cannot be blamed on the forum, but on upbringing, both in the home and school. A sign of changing times, and so I am going to sound like a grumpy old man now, so will stop!
ATB from George
I first found the Forum in 2003, and I don't think it does so badly. I don't miss the big hitters of those days!
The same questions arrive with inevitable repetitiveness because people do not use the Search Engine. Probably people like to actually have a direct answer to their particular [if oft asked] question, whereas reading old threads may be less interesting!
As for robust debating, all too often this breaks down from intense disagreements about opinion into personal abuse, and yet it is always the rude person firing personal insults who has so obviously lost the argument. Sometimes it is almost like watching an inevitable car accident! Almost compelling to see it tipping into the flailing off a very angry person who has lost the point, but cannot accept that they are wrong or have been out-debated.
This is a lesson for life, and the big personality will gracefully concede the point.
This is too rare, but it cannot be blamed on the forum, but on upbringing, both in the home and school. A sign of changing times, and so I am going to sound like a grumpy old man now, so will stop!
ATB from George
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by David Scott
Munch.
I joined in 2000. It's a long story. Things have changed since then. Many would say for the better. I don't think so, but it's Naim's forum, not mine.
I joined in 2000. It's a long story. Things have changed since then. Many would say for the better. I don't think so, but it's Naim's forum, not mine.
That's what I said. It's why the political discussions were always interesting. Political fora are usually pretty narrow.quote:People on here are not brought together because of politics. They are here because of the love of music and music replay IE Naim Kit.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Mick P
Stu
You can still have good discussions on politics or anything. What this forum seems to suffer from is a few dullards who love to lower the standard with crap discussion on snow falling etc. That really has murdered this forum more than anything else
Regards
Mick
You can still have good discussions on politics or anything. What this forum seems to suffer from is a few dullards who love to lower the standard with crap discussion on snow falling etc. That really has murdered this forum more than anything else
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Sniper
quote:Originally posted by GFFJ:
As for robust debating, all too often this breaks down from intense disagreements about opinion into personal abuse, and yet it is always the rude person firing personal insults who has so obviously lost the argument. Sometimes it is almost like watching an inevitable car accident! Almost compelling to see it tipping into the flailing off a very angry person who has lost the point, but cannot accept that they are wrong or have been out-debated.
I would not use the word 'always' here. I would suggest 'often' or even 'most often' but not always. I have seen perfectly reasonable people here being driven nuts by extremely stupid people. Close attention to the thread more often shows that the insults were started by the stupid people and when mr.reasonable retaliates the stupid people claim victory. Let's take an extreme example - Mr. reasonable says 'the world is flat' and the stupid people say 'oh really, prove it, everyone knows the world is flat you witless twat. Then mr. reasonable (not unreasonably)replies with something along the lines of 'you are not worth talking to, you are the most stupid people I have ever encountered and I'm not going to play anymore' and the stupid people reply with 'haha you have resorted to petty name calling and then you run away, it is clear you have lost the debate'. Really? How so?
I have seen this technique employed here a number of times and I would find you an example but I can't remember where I saw it. I wish I had commented on it at the time and place I saw it.
Posted on: 05 April 2010 by Sniper
quote:Originally posted by munch:---K O-- Sniper you are a bloody pain in the.You are just a tosser/Troll.quote:Originally posted by Sniper:quote:Originally posted by GFFJ:
As for robust debating, all too often this breaks down from intense disagreements about opinion into personal abuse, and yet it is always the rude person firing personal insults who has so obviously lost the argument. Sometimes it is almost like watching an inevitable car accident! Almost compelling to see it tipping into the flailing off a very angry person who has lost the point, but cannot accept that they are wrong or have been out-debated.
I have never seen one positive post from a forum member to you.
Just go away /Get back in your hole and put a lid on it.
Please do explain why my reply to George warrents that kind of abuse?
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Stu
No need for rudery.
I enjoy Snipers' posts and have said so a few times. His precis above is spot on.
So, nerr.
No need for rudery.
I enjoy Snipers' posts and have said so a few times. His precis above is spot on.
So, nerr.
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Mick P
quote:Originally posted by munch:
Mick,
The one thing you have always done on here is made me laugh.
And yes i am a dullard i started a snow thread or two.
You were the only one that had ago.
Its the padded cell you can talk about WTFYL.
I will move my coat to the lower peg and play Rugby against the masters.
Stu
Hi Stu
Yes this is an open forum and yes you can say whatever you want about whatever topic you want. The problem with sending in drivel is that it becomes pointless even logging in, no one with an IQ of above 70 wants to read silly little meaningless one liners followed by a few smilees on a dull topic. If you send in drivel you get drivel replies and then it is a slippery slope downhill.
Arye was lamenting the more vibrant past of the forums history which is different to what it is today. The positive side of the old days was that the topics were discussed to a much higher standard and were a lot more interesting. The downside was that the discissions became a bit heated and too many insults got hurled about. Friday's were sometimes like a battleground.
Moderating a forum is a thankless task, I certainly would not want to do it. It is impossible to please all of the people all of the time.
My own view is that the current level of moderation is not too far out. I would, however, allow a bit more constructive criticism of Naim products. JV and Mark Tucker were good at taking criticism but did not shy away if someone came in talking rubbish. All businesses neeed to know what current and potential customers are thinking both about the products in particular and the world in general.
I am convinced that the constant discussions about Mana simulated the design and production of the Fraim and the final result is that Naim came up with another world class product. Had there been no heated discussions on stands, Naim may well have settled to continue using Hutter. The point is that those heated discussions showed how seriously people took racks and accepted that it affected the sound. I could of course be wrong but I somehow doubt it.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by 151
nice one.quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:quote:Originally posted by munch:
Mick,
The one thing you have always done on here is made me laugh.
And yes i am a dullard i started a snow thread or two.
You were the only one that had ago.
Its the padded cell you can talk about WTFYL.
I will move my coat to the lower peg and play Rugby against the masters.
Stu
Hi Stu
Yes this is an open forum and yes you can say whatever you want about whatever topic you want. The problem with sending in drivel is that it becomes pointless even logging in, no one with an IQ of above 70 wants to read silly little meaningless one liners followed by a few smilees on a dull topic. If you send in drivel you get drivel replies and then it is a slippery slope downhill.
Arye was lamenting the more vibrant past of the forums history which is different to what it is today. The positive side of the old days was that the topics were discussed to a much higher standard and were a lot more interesting.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Steve O
quote:Originally posted by Sniper:
I have seen perfectly reasonable people here being driven nuts by extremely stupid people.
Sniper,
Firstly, I am glad to see you have observed the outcome of your actions.
Secondly, did you predict this post?
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Mick P
Steve
I like having sniper around, his very existance confirms to me that I am normal. All forums need a few nutters and sniper is a nice harmless little nutter. I like him.
Regards
Mick
I like having sniper around, his very existance confirms to me that I am normal. All forums need a few nutters and sniper is a nice harmless little nutter. I like him.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by mrflange
i find normal people boring, i like nutters like snipper more fun to be with.quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Steve
I like having sniper around, his very existance confirms to me that I am normal. All forums need a few nutters and sniper is a nice harmless little nutter. I like him.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by mongo
quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Steve
I like having sniper around, his very existance confirms to me that I am normal.
Regards
Mick
Mick
Interesting to know that you require confirmation.
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Don Phillips
Could we maybe have another additional Forum on this site called "Padded Cell without any restraints or medication".
In this, those who want to insult each other can be as disinhibited as they like and when they disagree with each other use the foulest names imaginable.
Then those who would like to discuss matters properly, or want to make points which may appear extreme or representative of a very small minority, might do so without being abused or their contributions rubbished. This would keep the Padded Cell for the grown-ups.
It is possible to be challenging and argue aggressively, and even make somebody appear foolish (if one would want to do such an unkind thing), without using vile language.
Yes, I know the argument about just ignore those members who are abusive. But firstly they do ruin discussions, just like loud borish voices in the pub. Secondly I do not want to witness stupid people abusing each other as part of my leisure.
I joined the Naim forums to exchange knowledge about hifi, take part in witty banter, learn about a wide variety of subjects (Naimites are a clever lot on the whole), and have a laugh.
I am getting near the door....
Don, sunny downtown York.
In this, those who want to insult each other can be as disinhibited as they like and when they disagree with each other use the foulest names imaginable.
Then those who would like to discuss matters properly, or want to make points which may appear extreme or representative of a very small minority, might do so without being abused or their contributions rubbished. This would keep the Padded Cell for the grown-ups.
It is possible to be challenging and argue aggressively, and even make somebody appear foolish (if one would want to do such an unkind thing), without using vile language.
Yes, I know the argument about just ignore those members who are abusive. But firstly they do ruin discussions, just like loud borish voices in the pub. Secondly I do not want to witness stupid people abusing each other as part of my leisure.
I joined the Naim forums to exchange knowledge about hifi, take part in witty banter, learn about a wide variety of subjects (Naimites are a clever lot on the whole), and have a laugh.
I am getting near the door....
Don, sunny downtown York.
Posted on: 06 April 2010 by Roy T
quote:Could we maybe have another additional Forum on this site called "Padded Cell without any restraints or medication".
An idea that may appeal to some and appal others, it ois all down to the mods and the meds.