Music you hate

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Originally posted by Steve S1:
Or is it that you just don't like Phil Collins?

Steve.

Is it that obvious?

And I thought I'd concealed it pretty well

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Is it that obvious?

And I thought I'd concealed it pretty well

Ah, irrational antipathy dressed as well constructed reasoning.

That's fine. On that basis I can't stand Sir Cliff Richard either.

But I wouldn't try to rationalise it with all that crap about songs about homeless people.

Steve

But Sir Cliff appeared with Hank Marvin (Mr Guitar) - you must have missed Throw Down A Line great song written by Hank.

Best regards, Rotf

I must admit, even I enjoyed Phil Collins when appeared in South Park - surely his finest hour (synopsis here).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve S1:
do you think that to write legitimate songs about the plight of the homeless, you have to be one?
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No, I just think Phil seriously undermined his credibility by his vocal support for the Tories, whose policy was the ending of council house building, thus making it more difficult to find decent, affordable housing.

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BB King still sings about being skint - like he'd know? Doesn't mean people like him any less
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I think the difference is, B.B. King writes about his own experience as a sharecropper in Mississippi and writes authentic and honest songs that people can relate to instead of bland platitudes. It's true Phil had more humble origins than his Charterhouse bandmates but I don't think, and I stand to be corrected, Phil ever worked as a Mississippi sharecropper.
Also B.B. King is a soulful musician, capable of employing pathos to powerful effect. Phil Collins writes music to shop by.
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Or is it that you just don't like Phil Collins?

Correct Steve, I just don't like Phil Collins. However, I don't let that cloud my judgement of him as a moderate talent who churns out insipid, formulaic MOR Ken Bruce music

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No, I just think Phil seriously undermined his credibility by his vocal support for the Tories

Malky, you're quite right. But he wasn't by any means alone in supporting the Tories. It was very celeb fashionable at that time.

Then of course, in 97 it became celeb fashionable to support New Labour.

I doubt if many of either group will look back at these episodes with much pride. Maybe they would all be better to stay "cause" specific and not lend their names to any political parties.

ROTF,

I saw Sir Cliff at a chraridy "do". All he did between numbers was go on about how many records he had sold to "out-sell" Elvis and the Beatles here and there etc...

I couldn't help feeling that they'd given him a decent helping hand by dying/splitting up years ago!

I didn't realise he was so damn full of himself.

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But singing about people less fortunate than him (or us) - errr, that makes him different to how many wealthy singer/songwriters/authors/poets?

The difference lies in the two way mutual respect, which seems lacking in the case of people like Phil Collins or Cliff Richard, who seem very remote and removed from their public.
Even the Armani suited Eric Clapton can do blues and it not stick in the throat because of his known love and respect of the history and characters of the blues, and his version of the blues is truly sincere. It isn't about the package or the money, it's about the respect. I'm afraid that PC probably thinks of music as a business product.
Oasis are a few million quid away from their roots, but they remain true to who they are. Okay, they're yobs, but they respect who they represent and gain respect for that in return.
There is a huge difference.
I would conclude that the definition of "muzak" is music made for the purpose of being a marketable product, and "music" being the product of artistic self expression. And the difference shows through loud and clear.

Fair point about respect Rasher, I have no insight into who PC has respect for, I don't know him.

But Oasis can never stay where they were. The very fact that they are successful moves them away from that, as would be the case for anyone for that matter.

Although I guess even die-hard Oasis fans will have felt queasy at some of the hob-nobbing with politicians.

My point is that this relationship can only be beneficial to the politicians. It never does anything for the artists, except lose them fans. IMO of course.

Regards,

Steve.

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Originally posted by Steve S1:
Although I guess even die-hard Oasis fans will have felt queasy at some of the hob-nobbing with politicians.

Disagree again Steve. They grew up as nobody's, and it's totally in character to be easily impressed and drawn into doing that from their simple background. It's "look at me and who I'm with" rather than considered consequences. They haven't changed at all.

You don't think their old crowd will resent having been dropped?

Yeah, probably, but isn't their crowd all about fighting among themselves for these sorts of things anyway? Isn't that who they are and what they do?

I once went to a demonstration at an Apple Computer show where they had some software - I think Logic 7 and Nuendo and they edited out Bryan May's guitar from some Queen song or other and replaced it with Jimi Hendrix.

I wondered if it were possible to work such wonders on Foxtrot, Selling England and Lamb Lies Down and edit out all the drum noise and replace it with some drumming by Aynsley Dunbar. Or like McCartney did on Let It Be (Naked) - produce versions of Foxtrot, Selling England and Lamb Lies Down without the bits I don't like i.e. the drumming. Juat a thought.

Probably best if were just Gabriel and Hackett.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ROTF:
I wondered if it were possible to work such wonders on Foxtrot, Selling England and Lamb Lies Down and edit out all the drum noise and replace it with some drumming by Aynsley Dunbar. Or like McCartney did on Let It Be (Naked) - produce versions of Foxtrot, Selling England and Lamb Lies Down without the bits I don't like i.e. the drumming. Juat a thought.
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And then remove the backing vocals from 'Grace and Danger'.

I am swiss, but I really hate swiss folk music...
urs

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Originally posted by urs:
I am swiss, but I really hate swiss folk music...
urs

Hey, from my perspective - it's World Music. Can't be bad....

Cheers
Stefan

Irish folk music - surely the most sick-making din on the face of the earth.

Although the whole of Van Morrison's career after Them runs a close seond, with Alanis Morrisette's catachrestic caterwauling coming in third.

I Hate hip hop, they're talking rather than singing.

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Irish folk music - surely the most sick-making din on the face of the earth.

Your part of the world inflicted Chas and Dave on the rest of us and you can say that

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