Clinton for Prez?

Won't work. She lied to cover up her husband's fuckings away from home, and she probably indulged away from home herself. Not that I blame her, but those anal Yanks won't wear it.

I think she'll stand a bloomin' good chance, but hey what do I know American Politics

If you look at our history, you'll see that the probability of correctly predicting the nominee this far out is very low.

Hillary has to be considered a front-runner at this time, but I doubt she'll get the nomination. If I were betting on this, I'd go with Edwards for the Democratic nomination - he's the only one ho has withstood the scrutiny and rigors of a presidential campaign.

Hillary will be stopped by accusations of sleazy dealings in her legal practice,, poor handling of universal health care, and pandering.

Brownback: every time I start to type, I want to vomit.

Regards.

hil

Phil

I agree: see my comments above - or does none of that matter?

G

The Clinton family have had their time in the Presidential spotlight - surely the American people won't want to chance a repeat after allowing son of Bush into power??

It'll be an interesting test to see if money can buy up all before it - the mutterings are that Hillary has a phenomenal money raising machine behind her.

Peter

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Originally posted by Phil Barry:
Hillary will be stopped by accusations of sleazy dealings in her legal practice,, poor handling of universal health care, and pandering.

Didn't think this was an impediment so much as a requirement for the job.

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Originally posted by graham55:
Phil

I agree: see my comments above - or does none of that matter?

G

Well, rather more politely put by Mr Barry, I feel.

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Originally posted by Malky:

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Originally posted by Phil Barry:
Hillary will be stopped by accusations of sleazy dealings in her legal practice,, poor handling of universal health care, and pandering.

Didn't think this was an impediment so much as a requirement for the job.

Only if you're a Republican.

Schwarzenegger or Hillary? Hmmmm....good choice.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jay:
Schwarzenegger or Hillary? Hmmmm....good choice.

For what?

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Originally posted by munch:
she lied about her own stuff in her red neck home town munch

Chicago? Pretty cosmopolitan place, actually. You should visit sometime.

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Originally posted by munch:
Not Chicago, Arkansas / not spelt right.munch

Well, first off, she's from Chicago, and second off, well... Arkansas is a state, not a town.

I get the impression that Hilary is loved/ reviled in almost equal measure by the US public. Obama may look good but surely is a leap too far for the public.

What about Edwards as the least divisive (and least interesting) of the lot?

Bruce

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Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Obama may look good but surely is a leap too far for the public.

Not necessarily.

Obama is seen as a uniter, Hillary is not. He has the kind of charisma that only comes along once in awhile, admired on both sides of the aisle. Highly intelligent, worldy and well-educated, brimming with common sense, untainted by the stench of political baggage, and inspires hope. And, he is the only major candidate who was against the folly in Iraq from the get go.

But, nearly everyone says, what about the "lack of experience" issue? Regarding that, consider this:

• There was a great US president with even less experience in elected office than Obama has now: Abraham Lincoln.
  
  
• Newton Minow, who was chairman of the Federal Communications Commission from 1961 to 1963 and has been advisor to several US presidents, hits the nail on its head: "My answer to that (is) the guy in the government who has enough experience is Vice President (Dick) Cheney. Enough said."

Fred

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Highly intelligent, worldy and well-educated, brimming with common sense, untainted by the stench of political baggage, and inspires hope.

Like I said, he doesn't stand a chance in the USA

Perhaps he'd like to swap for UK politics instead?

Just sounds like our dear John Prescott

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Originally posted by munch:
I know that , there was some stuff she did in little Rock that she got away with years ago.

Ah, Little Rock is the redneck town, then... so I assume you've been there, at least? I know I have; grew up nearby, and still have family there.

"Redneck town" is an easy thing to say, but saying it doesn't make it true.

Anyway, end of discussion for my part.

Malky, Malky, Malky - what can I say?

Obama is a phenomenon. As a state senator, he ran for the Democratic nomination for US Senate (a very big jump) against 3 other men with long histories in politics and with strong organizations.

Obama - mixed race, Harvard law school, cocaine, professor at a uni that epitomizes the ivory tower - got a majority of the votes cast in the primary. This is unheard of in an election with 4 strong candidates.

He then went on to win the general election by an astounding margin, getting more normally Republican votes than any other Democrat in Illinois history, IIRC. Of course, the GOP candidate was a real piece of...detritus. (I mean, to call that guy a 'pig' or 'slime' is to insult pigs and slime.)

He has yet to undergo the scrutiny of a presidential election, and even reformers in Chicago get tainted by corruption, so he may crumble. But do not discount Obama.

At this point, I lean towards Edwards myself, because of his stance on policy and his message, but I can see myself change to Obama in the not too distant future.

I think Obama might make an execellent president and world leader, but I think Edwards would be a better candidate and an excellent president.

The sleaze in Hillary's background, and her sticking with Bill despite his infidelities, will hurt her much more in a presidential race than in a NY senate race. The people who back W don't care about New York, but they do care about the White House, and they will attack her mercilessly, loudly, early, and often.

As for big money being behind Hill, the ugly big money is in Bush & Cheney's pockets - the money to support them could not have paid off better than the Bush tax bills.

Regards.

Phil

Early polls have Senator Clinton with commanding double-digit leads.

Clinton is certainly the big news last weekend, but we have two years to go. I think this is the earliest that candidates have ever declared for the race to the Shitehouse and there is a VERY long way to go yet. I'll be watching closely all the way - I love this stuff. And all the time Bush's ratings are sliding alarmingly to Nixon levels!!
Don't forget Rudolph Giuliani. I don't think he has delared yet, but give it a week.

Well, the shit storm has started ... Fox News, the media arm of the right wing in the USA, has just launched a major smear against Obama by repeating unsubstantiated reports that Obama was schooled in a Muslim madrassa.

On the Fox News round table show Fox and Friends host Steve Doocy said that Obama spent "the first decade of his life raised by his Muslim father as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa."

This claim is riddled with lies: Obama's father and mother divorced when Barack was two; his father was born a Muslim but was an atheist in adulthood. His mother was a secular Christian. His step-father, an Indonesian, was a secular Muslim ... 90% of the population of Java is Muslim.

Obama spent two years at a public government elementary school, and two years at a Catholic school. (By the way, would American Muslims be justified in decrying his Catholic school training? Just wondering.)

And in the interest of trying to kill two birds with one stone, Fox News has reported, also without substantiation, that this information came from campaign staffers of Hillary Clinton, whose spokesman has denounced the specious claims.

It's started already. Astoundingly despicable. These people have no shame. Read all about it here: abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2819634

Fred

"Well, the shit storm has started ... Fox News, the media arm of the right wing in the USA, has just launched a major smear against Obama . . ."

Did you really expect any less from an organization produced by Bush's cousin ?!!!

O.k.. here's my prediction. Obama & Clinton on the same ticket. I really think it will happen and makes perfect sense.

Max

I think Hillary has been and remains unelectable.

Fox does too. That is why they consistently say good things about her. And she does seem to be the farthest right of the Democrats.

The only thing that could render Hillary electable is two more years of Iraq, ongoing stalemate, no-win carnage, Bush at 35%, and Republicans headed for the wilderness for a generation. On that basis, don't count Hillary out.

Little Rock is nicer than you think.

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Originally posted by Max Bass:
O.k.. here's my prediction. Obama & Clinton on the same ticket. I really think it will happen and makes perfect sense.

We could very well see a Clinton/Obama ticket. I actually think he might make her more electable. At least, I know I'd feel better about electing her.

Fred

Can someone tell me what a VP actually does? I get the impression that the pair of candidates form a 'ticket' to get elected (by a process of mutual endorsement) but if elected the VP has no influence on policy or government thereafter. Is this correct?

Bruce