Clinton for Prez?

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The damage has been done though, which I guess is all they wanted.

Fascinating thread. It's good to read that I know nothing about American politics, but i'm learning. cheers guys.

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Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
Can someone tell me what a VP actually does?

A vice-president's primary value is as assassination insurance; the trick is to have a VP who's so utterly inept and/or vile that even the president's most radical opponents wouldn't dream of allowing the VP to take charge. I mean, whatever his faults, I'm personally damn glad nobody ever took out the elder Bush... President Quayle, anyone? Yee-ikes.

It has been said that Cheney is the power behind the throne and that the US is a heart beat away from a Bush presidency.

See
Cheney's history of heart problems

Good point Derek. Now that is really scary.

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Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
Can someone tell me what a VP actually does? I get the impression that the pair of candidates form a 'ticket' to get elected (by a process of mutual endorsement) but if elected the VP has no influence on policy or government thereafter. Is this correct?

It used to be correct until the current Bush/Cheney reign. Bush is strictly a puppet on strings controlled by Cheney and his cabal. Cheney has been a dark force in American politics for decades ... the mess in Iraq is the direct result of the agenda of Project for the New American Century, a consortium of militant neo-conservatives whose stated agenda is to use American military and economic power "to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests." Dick Cheney is a signatory, as is Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Gary Bauer, William Kristol, Jeb Bush (Junior's bro'), and, curiously, Dan Quayle, among others. It is largely their agenda which has been driving the madness of the US government for not only the last six years, but, really, since Reagan's reign, with eight years of some relief during the Clinton years.

I urge anyone seeking to understand why the USA has taken such a drastically wrong path to take a look at the site ... scary stuff.

All best,
Fred

We could very well see a Clinton/Obama ticket. I actually think he might make her more electable. At least, I know I'd feel better about electing her.

Fred


Hi Fred

You mean you'd feel good about electing the person who said this?

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

The Vice Presidency & Bookmaking

In addition to becoming president in the event of the death, resignation, or conviction of the President, the VP presides over the Senate; he votes to break ties.

For most of the past 200 years, the VP candidate has often helped his ticket by providing support in geographic regions in which the presidential candidate is weak and by being the campaign's attack dog.

There is nothing in US law prohibiting a president from giving the VP additional repsonsibilities.

What odds are the British bookmakers giving on the 2008 presidential race?

Regards.

Phil

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What odds are the British bookmakers giving on the 2008 presidential race?

Regards.

Phil

Depends who you ask...

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Originally posted by Jim Lawson:

Hi Fred

You mean you'd feel good about electing the person who said this?

"In the four years since the inspectors left ...

No, Jim, I didn't say I'd feel "good," I intentionally said I'd feel "better." There's a big difference.

Clinton is not my first or second or third choice, but things are so bad here under the shadow of BushCo that there's nowhere to go but up, even with Hillary if it comes to that. And since I don't feel good about her, I would feel better if Obama were her vice president.

Obama is the only major candidate so far to have gotten it right about Iraq from the get go. Hillary, like almost every other Democrat, and certainly every Republican, bought what BushCo was selling.

All best,
Fred

America, as a country you scare me.

Where, apart from Fred, are all the sane people who realise how evil, and I use the word deliberately, the Republicans are.

The "New American Century" is not new US policy, but a long standing (since WW2) desire to shape the world to suit US business and the US consumer, to the detriment of practically everyone else on the planet.

Ready Chomsky for gods sake.

US politics goes with the money, and the money men get what they want. Wish the Deomocrats (or UK politicians for that matter) were better, but they ain't.

America. Fuck yeh!

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Originally posted by Colin Lorenson:
US politics goes with the money, and the money men get what they want.

Colin - The "US" at the start of that is unnecessary. It applies to politicians the world over. Anyone who spends their youth wanting to be a politician rather than partying must be a little odd to say the least.

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Originally posted by Colin Lorenson:
America, as a country you scare me.

Where, apart from Fred, are all the sane people who realise how evil, and I use the word deliberately, the Republicans are.

This is what's so frustrating, Colin ... it's not just me at all. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, and only was installed as president through egregious and unconstitutional manipulation of the electoral and legal process. So that means that at least half the voting public rejected him from the get go.

And as of today President Junior's approval rating is a meager 30% and falling. So you see that, at best, only half the American public has ever supported the evil BushCo cabal.

As to how the other half ever bought the bullshit BushCo was selling, that would take a lot more explanation ... partly it's due to a significant number of semi-educated people of only mediocre intelligence brainwashed by the newspeak Fox News spews into the majority of homes 24/7. Partly it's due to the utterly evil machinations of Karl Rove, whose playbook is seemingly informed by this well known quote from the Nazi Hermann Goering:

Naturally the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

Invoking the spectre of 9/11 and the straw-bogeyman of "The War on Terror," Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al., and their little puppet, Bush, have cowed far too many Americans (but certainly not all) into giving up civil liberties, national dignity, and America's good standing in the world in the name of false security.

On his recent Carnegie Hall concert recording, Keith Jarrett played a composition of his titled The Good America, and I know exactly what he means ... there is a good nation called America which has been hijacked by very, very bad people, and the world desperately needs the good America back again. Which is why we need someone like Barack Obama to take us there.

All best,
Fred

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Originally posted by munch:
A very good post Fred ,IF you and Mr M More could get together on his next film we would have a good film and sound track.kind regards munch.

Thanks, munch.

Hey, I'll work with Michael Moore anytime he wants!

All best,
Fred

Looks like Obama is going on his own for the time being.



Story here........

Regards

Diccus

and also on the front of 'The Guardian' (Liberal broadsheet) magazine 'Is this the next American president?'

Story here

Diccus

Diccus, thanks for pointing out those articles; always good to get some perspective from others in the world.

I was impressed by the insightful Guardian column, which, although printed in, as you said, a liberal broadsheet, it was certainly not some blindly adoring puff piece.

I still think Obama can go the distance, and, more importantly, the USA, and by extension, the world needs him to do so.

All best,
Fred

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fred simon:

I still think Obama can go the distance, and, more importantly, the USA, and by extension, the world needs him to do so.

All best,
Fred

[QUOTE]

Let's hope so, Fred.

Mark

Good post Fred. I agree entirely.

Some of Bush's handywork

Other musicians against the war in Iraq

Let's Impeach The President

Fred,

the Guardian article on Obama was written by Gary Younge who is a very well respected, very intelligent journalist who pulls no punches and certainly kisses no ones ass. Whilst I didn't read the article (holds head in shame) I would imagine it was balanced. He writes a column from Washington, Sample here

Pleased to provide perspective from over the ocean

Regards

Diccus