David Crosby hdcd
Posted by: urs on 21 March 2007
Hi
I recently bought the de luxe edition If I could only remember my name. (great album) It is made in the USA and says hdcd on the cover and CD. This CD is not decoding on my CDX player (all others do), that means it does not show hdcd on the display of the player. I exchanged the CD with a new one from the shop where I bought it, but it is the same. I sent a mail to Rhino, and they replied the CD might be faulty, or the CDP is not compatible. Is anyone having that CD and experienced the same?
cheers
urs
I recently bought the de luxe edition If I could only remember my name. (great album) It is made in the USA and says hdcd on the cover and CD. This CD is not decoding on my CDX player (all others do), that means it does not show hdcd on the display of the player. I exchanged the CD with a new one from the shop where I bought it, but it is the same. I sent a mail to Rhino, and they replied the CD might be faulty, or the CDP is not compatible. Is anyone having that CD and experienced the same?
cheers
urs
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Hi urs
I don't have "If only..." but I do have the Rhino David Crosby box set called "Voyage" which is marked HDCD and having just put Disc1 into my CDX2 I can confirm that the HDCD light has come up on track1. "Eight Miles High" sounds damned good too!
I have several Rhino HDCD discs and they have never failed to register as such on the player.
I don't have "If only..." but I do have the Rhino David Crosby box set called "Voyage" which is marked HDCD and having just put Disc1 into my CDX2 I can confirm that the HDCD light has come up on track1. "Eight Miles High" sounds damned good too!
I have several Rhino HDCD discs and they have never failed to register as such on the player.
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by urs
Hi Chris
I have the box set voyage as well, and it is registering as hdcd, as well as other Rhinos (I like Rhinos reissues). I just have that problem with the If I could only remember.
urs
I have the box set voyage as well, and it is registering as hdcd, as well as other Rhinos (I like Rhinos reissues). I just have that problem with the If I could only remember.
urs
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by ewemon
It is quite funny this, as Rhino "do know" there is a problem. Stephen Barncard who remastered the disc says that the masters were shipped with HCDC coding on them but somehow it wasn't on the final release. Rhino have also had many US complaints re this and recently the album "appeared" to be withdrawn from sale temporarily. So maybe the newer copies are HCDC encoded.
I emailed Rhino once about an Aretha Franklin disc that had extremely bad distortion on one track. They admitted to me that it was the case but that they weren't going to bother fixing it.
I emailed Rhino once about an Aretha Franklin disc that had extremely bad distortion on one track. They admitted to me that it was the case but that they weren't going to bother fixing it.
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by urs
thanks for that info. on the rhino website I found a customer comment, that his disc was not hdcd as well. I found it strange, to get the reply from Rhino about my e-mail, the cd could be faulty, or the player might not be compatible. I am little dissapointed about that.
urs
urs
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Yes, that does seem out of character with a label which seems to care so much about restoring a really eclectic back catalogue of music. Presumably urs you can return it to the place you bought on the basis that it misrepresents itself on the packaging, and then get a new copy if and when the problem is fixed.
Posted on: 22 March 2007 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by urs:
I recently bought the de luxe edition If I could only remember my name. (great album)
Great album, indeed ... one of my favorites of all time.
What's "deluxe" about this edition? Just remastered? Extra tracks? Did they fix the distortion on I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here? Or is that married to the original recorded tracks?
Don't know about the HDCD question ... I've got an old fashioned steam-driven CD player.
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 23 March 2007 by ewemon
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by urs:
I recently bought the de luxe edition If I could only remember my name. (great album)
Great album, indeed ... one of my favorites of all time.
What's "deluxe" about this edition? Just remastered? Extra tracks? Did they fix the distortion on I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here? Or is that married to the original recorded tracks?
Don't know about the HDCD question ... I've got an old fashioned steam-driven CD player.
All best,
Fred
Fred they have done a great job with the remaster compared to the original (apart from the HCDC problem). You get basically a normal cd plus the disc in DVD-A as well as extra tracks. Unlike a lot of extra tracks these are the bees knees. They actually have a lot more songs from the sessions they could have added as bonuses hey but whos complaining.
Posted on: 23 March 2007 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by ewemon:
Fred they have done a great job with the remaster compared to the original (apart from the HCDC problem). You get basically a normal cd plus the disc in DVD-A as well as extra tracks. Unlike a lot of extra tracks these are the bees knees.
ewemon, thanks for the reply.
You mentioned "extra tracks," plural ... on the Rhino site it lists only one: Kids and Dogs. Are there are actually more than this one?
Thanks,
Fred
Posted on: 24 March 2007 by ewemon
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by ewemon:
Fred they have done a great job with the remaster compared to the original (apart from the HCDC problem). You get basically a normal cd plus the disc in DVD-A as well as extra tracks. Unlike a lot of extra tracks these are the bees knees.
ewemon, thanks for the reply.
You mentioned "extra tracks," plural ... on the Rhino site it lists only one: Kids and Dogs. Are there are actually more than this one?
Thanks,
Fred
Apologies Fred I should have said one track Kids & Dogs.
Posted on: 26 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Fred
Not sure how you feel about compilations, but if you are a Crosby fan I can heartliy recommend the box set.
Not sure how you feel about compilations, but if you are a Crosby fan I can heartliy recommend the box set.
Posted on: 26 March 2007 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Fred
Not sure how you feel about compilations, but if you are a Crosby fan I can heartliy recommend the box set.
Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. I have no problem in general with compilations, unless I already have most of the stuff on it, which I do.
I have very mixed feelings about Crosby's career, as well as CSN(Y) in general. On the one hand, their early work, both group and solo, is some of my all-time favorite music in the world. This would include albums CSN, Deja Vu, If I Could Only Remember My Name, CSN, Songs For Beginners, first Stills solo, the first C&N duo (a really great and under-appreciated album), the first Young solo, and After the Gold Rush. In general, after that, quality falls off to varying extents ... the second, and especially the third, C&N duos, second Stills solo (although Manassas is a masterpiece), and then later Crosby solo and CSN/CSNY albums, some of which are just plain awful. My disappointment wouldn't be so profound if their early work weren't so great.
An interesting anomaly is the first CPR album, which I really dig but it's mostly Crosby's kid's songs I like ... Crosby's writing is not up to par. Second CPR album ... eh.
So, regarding the Crosby compilation, I pretty much have everything of his I actually want to have.
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 26 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Fred
A very fair synopsis, though I have liked most of NY's output over the years, except possibly his Arc/Weld period. I agree that Manassas was a magnificent piece of work. I still have the vinyl double album, although I listen to the HDCD remaster on CD nowadays. I think Stills' voice, songwriting and general musicianship were seldom bettered in the rock era.
A very fair synopsis, though I have liked most of NY's output over the years, except possibly his Arc/Weld period. I agree that Manassas was a magnificent piece of work. I still have the vinyl double album, although I listen to the HDCD remaster on CD nowadays. I think Stills' voice, songwriting and general musicianship were seldom bettered in the rock era.
Posted on: 26 March 2007 by ewemon
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Fred
Not sure how you feel about compilations, but if you are a Crosby fan I can heartliy recommend the box set.
Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. I have no problem in general with compilations, unless I already have most of the stuff on it, which I do.
I have very mixed feelings about Crosby's career, as well as CSN(Y) in general. On the one hand, their early work, both group and solo, is some of my all-time favorite music in the world. This would include albums CSN, Deja Vu, If I Could Only Remember My Name, CSN, Songs For Beginners, first Stills solo, the first C&N duo (a really great and under-appreciated album), the first Young solo, and After the Gold Rush. In general, after that, quality falls off to varying extents ... the second, and especially the third, C&N duos, second Stills solo (although Manassas is a masterpiece), and then later Crosby solo and CSN/CSNY albums, some of which are just plain awful. My disappointment wouldn't be so profound if their early work weren't so great.
An interesting anomaly is the first CPR album, which I really dig but it's mostly Crosby's kid's songs I like ... Crosby's writing is not up to par. Second CPR album ... eh.
So, regarding the Crosby compilation, I pretty much have everything of his I actually want to have.
All best,
Fred
I loved the CPR double live disc. Excellent recording and a very good tight band.
Posted on: 27 March 2007 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Fred
A very fair synopsis, though I have liked most of NY's output over the years, except possibly his Arc/Weld period. I agree that Manassas was a magnificent piece of work. I still have the vinyl double album, although I listen to the HDCD remaster on CD nowadays. I think Stills' voice, songwriting and general musicianship were seldom bettered in the rock era.
I agree ... of the four, NY's work over the years has been the most consistent after the first flush of brilliance.
Stills in his prime (long ago) was as good as any singer/songwriter/guitar-slinger. Now you may or may not agree with this, but I consider John Mayer to be a sort heir to that triple-threat throne, as evidenced by his fantastic album Continuum ... great writing, playing, and singing, plus solid, tasty production from the "old school." I strongly believe that if Mayer had made this album "back in the day," today he would be considered a peer of the likes of Stills, Clapton, George Harrison, James Taylor, etc.
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 27 March 2007 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by ewemon:
I loved the CPR double live disc. Excellent recording and a very good tight band.
I'll have to check it out. Crosby's kid, James Raymond, is very talented. Kind of funny to think that we may have never heard much of his work if not for his famous dad.
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 27 March 2007 by ewemon
Good luck in trying to Fred as I think it is now deleted. I got mine from Austria.
Posted on: 28 March 2007 by Nick Lees
quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Fred
A very fair synopsis, though I have liked most of NY's output over the years, except possibly his Arc/Weld period. I agree that Manassas was a magnificent piece of work. I still have the vinyl double album, although I listen to the HDCD remaster on CD nowadays. I think Stills' voice, songwriting and general musicianship were seldom bettered in the rock era.
Chris,
That first Manassas album is excellent, but I was always disappointed by the sound of the LP, which was rather dull. I bought the first generation CD which wasn't up to much either...so how does the re-master sound? Not sure I want to go for a third version (good as it is) but I will if it's worth it - what do you reckon?
Posted on: 28 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Gary
It is definitely worth seeking out the HDCD remaster of the album. I bought the LP when it first came out and long before I had a replay system which would show up defficiencies in the sound - or maybe I just listened to the music in those far-off days! The remaster sounds pretty good compared with the first edition CD. What I liked about the double LP was the concept of each side being a self-contained song cycle, in different musical styles. Stills proved he was incredibly versatile.
It is definitely worth seeking out the HDCD remaster of the album. I bought the LP when it first came out and long before I had a replay system which would show up defficiencies in the sound - or maybe I just listened to the music in those far-off days! The remaster sounds pretty good compared with the first edition CD. What I liked about the double LP was the concept of each side being a self-contained song cycle, in different musical styles. Stills proved he was incredibly versatile.
Posted on: 28 March 2007 by Nick Lees
At £3.89 from Amazon it'd be just plain rude to ignore. Thanks Chris, you settled it.
Such a shame the second album couldn't match it.
Such a shame the second album couldn't match it.
Posted on: 28 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Well it was good while it lasted Gary! That really is a bargain though.
Posted on: 29 March 2007 by rupert bear
quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Yes, that does seem out of character with a label which seems to care so much about restoring a really eclectic back catalogue of music.
If they cared that much about the Warners back catalogue they would have released all the classic Little Feat and Ry Cooder albums in HDCD with bonus tracks. Instead of which we had the LF box, half of which was post-Lowell rubbish.
Posted on: 29 March 2007 by Chris Kelly
Rupert
Very valid point. Both those artists' classic output is desperately due a re-release with decent sound. Maybe I should have used "purports" instead of "seems". Have you got the remaster of "Waiting for Columbus"? That was a big improvement on the first CD release, which was a travesty.
Very valid point. Both those artists' classic output is desperately due a re-release with decent sound. Maybe I should have used "purports" instead of "seems". Have you got the remaster of "Waiting for Columbus"? That was a big improvement on the first CD release, which was a travesty.
Posted on: 11 May 2007 by RichardM
I had an original cd of this, which I didn't play that much.
After reading this thread, I bought the re-master. It does not show as HDCD on my CDS3, but it is probably the best sound I have heard on cd.
It is also a fantastic album and it is great to discover old classics.
After reading this thread, I bought the re-master. It does not show as HDCD on my CDS3, but it is probably the best sound I have heard on cd.
It is also a fantastic album and it is great to discover old classics.
Posted on: 11 May 2007 by ewemon
quote:Originally posted by rupert bear:quote:Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Yes, that does seem out of character with a label which seems to care so much about restoring a really eclectic back catalogue of music.
If they cared that much about the Warners back catalogue they would have released all the classic Little Feat and Ry Cooder albums in HDCD with bonus tracks. Instead of which we had the LF box, half of which was post-Lowell rubbish.
The thing is that WB did actually remaster a whole load of discs in the mid 80's in the States. You will know if you get one as they have RE-1 in their inner ring matrix code. But they released them without any fanfare as they held the price of the product at the same level.
Some of them sound far better than the originals and some not.
Problem is currently that one of the first things they do when remastering is boost the mid range frequencies to give you a "louder, more detailed sound". This gives you a false impression that the disc sounds better. Simply not always the case. The usual way you can tell would be if you have an original put it on at a listenable volume then put the remaster on without changing the volume level.
Posted on: 12 May 2007 by rupert bear
I have got the Waiting for Columbus remaster and it sounds very good, which is another reason I'd love a decent reissue of Sailin Shoes, Dixie Chicken, Last record Album etc. I agree about the frequent boost to a toppy sound - certainly some of the Hotcakes box sounds like that.
Best remastering I have heard for some time is the Pentangle box set which has just come out, which is a nice complement to the original albums, though I suppose again you wish they'd just put everything on and made it about 8 CDs!
Best remastering I have heard for some time is the Pentangle box set which has just come out, which is a nice complement to the original albums, though I suppose again you wish they'd just put everything on and made it about 8 CDs!