Changing sound!

Simply leave it on when you're going out for the week-end. Problem solved.

It takes about 2 days to my gears to come back on song after i've turned them off, and it's a normal thing for Naim gears.

Bye.

I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. Try with CDP first powered but not running. you could tighten first then gradually ease torque until sound is right. The point about warm up is important too.

just thought if you don't power down and there is an electrial storm---expensive mistake.

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. Try with CDP first powered but not running. you could tighten first then gradually ease torque until sound is right. The point about warm up is important too.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Chap:
I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. QUOTE]

another naim secret? there is nothing about this trick in the owners manual. but you mean tightening/loosening the plugs of the snaics and interconnect? (usually i tighten them quite loose).

cheers

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. Try with CDP first powered but not running. you could tighten first then gradually ease torque until sound is right.

What on earth are you talking about ?

I give up!!!

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it.

i want a better answer, too!

cheers zep

Hi Zep,
I find it takes a few days, even a week to get back on song.
I think there are several variables in play when listening.
Firstly, the warm up effect if fresh from a power up. Even a system left on continuously sound better after about half an hours use in my experience.
Secondly, the time of day in relation to the drain on the national grid is a major factor. I think most of us (at least those of us without a dedicated spur) find listening late at night gives the best results.
Thirdly, and in my opinion the major factor is your own mood and expectations. I work shifts and never get the same satisfaction after working a 2-10 shift. Maybe it's because I work in a noisy environment. I wear ear protection when out of the office but I suppose my hearing is de-sensitised for a fair time after finishing work.

Steve O, thank you for understandable and also beliveable answer. i think you are right, i think it sounds far better late in the evening or in the middle of the night, than early in the morning. i work in a noisy environment too, and been thinking that it's not good for my ears, even though i also use ear protection.

cheers zep

Zep,
I think Steve O has nailed it. The last point in particular is most important. Many times I've sat down to enjoy a session only to be disappointed in the sounds. Then after a few minutes, with my mind on other things like reading an article, the music creeps up on you and evrything is back on song. More than likely it is down to my reception of what I'm hearing and not down to torque of the screws in my wall sockets!
Keith

I am talking about how tight the screws are on the covers of your wall sockets. This may not be the cause of "different sound' after the Kit has been unplugged then plugged in again. However the amount of torque used to tighten the sockets on the wall does make a difference to the sound. TRY IT !

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Originally posted by paul_g:

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. Try with CDP first powered but not running. you could tighten first then gradually ease torque until sound is right.

What on earth are you talking about ?

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I wonder if it to do with slight differences in plug connection with the mains. The amount of torque you use to tighten the wall sockets can make difference. There is an optimal torque not too tight not to loose. I know a lot of you will probably think this barmy but just try it. Try with CDP first powered but not running. you could tighten first then gradually ease torque until sound is right.

Sounds like one of those old 'Goonshow' scripts.

I like this "chap's" sense of humour!!!

How many of you have tried different tightness of your wall sockets????????

I'm off to tighten the screws that hold my consumer unit to the wall in the kitchen cupboard and will report any sonic gains.....

I'm all for a free sonic tweak, but please be reasonable!!!

I have got a 62/hi/140 never serviced to my knowledge. Got new speakers last week and they never sounded better. For some reason I rather upgrade than service.

Oops, wrong subject. Ignore this post please. (can't find how to erase my posting)

i m looking at the plug but cant find screwdriver

a screwdriver my kingdom for a screwdriver

ah found one doh i need a phillips

whats that funny buzzing felling in my arm...................................
.................................ooch

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Originally posted by The Chap:
I am talking about how tight the screws are on the covers of your wall sockets. This may not be the cause of "different sound' ....

I agree - it certainly won't be the cause.

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However the amount of torque used to tighten the sockets on the wall does make a difference to the sound. TRY IT !

I'd dearly love to but sadly don't have sockets on my dedicated spurs - such a pity.

Hi

Not an unexpected response , this tweak was shown to me by my dealer who is very well respected within the Naim community.


Regards

T.C

im going to try it

you have taken a fair slagging as i have in my time

so i will apply some rigour and test this

you deserve a fair chance

watch this space

mike

Thanks Mike
I hope there are rewards for you in this. My dealer starts with Cdp and finishes with power amp. I am not using any external power supplies, but I would imagine the source first principle applies in any case. The tweaks should not be done whilst music is playing. When my dealer has done this everything has been plugged in and switched on. I recently tweaked the power amp socket on my kit, just having it slightly tighter than it had been, but not dead tight 'snug'. In my experince tighter make the sound tighter, too much and the sound seems restricted. Too loose and there is a lack of focus and grip.

I can only see danger here if you put your screwdriver in the sockets. Not something I expect you to do, but please be careful anyway.

Kind regards

T.C

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Originally posted by The Chap:
My dealer starts with Cdp and finishes with power amp.

Dealers can lose the plot too.

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I recently tweaked the power amp socket on my kit, just having it slightly tighter than it had been, but not dead tight 'snug'. In my experince tighter make the sound tighter, too much and the sound seems restricted. Too loose and there is a lack of focus and grip.

These screws simply secure the switch faceplate to the pattress which is recessed in the wall. They are in no way involved in the passage of power through the switch, so how do you think that they would influence anything ? Magic perhaps ?

I really don't know why I bother.

I'm not sure the slagging is justified either.

I suppose there could be some decoupling by slackening off a bit without allowing the thing to wobble too much etc....

After all, C is saying he has heard the difference.

How many of us have been treated as nuts aby the electricians who come in to install our spurs?

Cheers

Mike (goo goo gah gah)

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Originally posted by Michael_B.:
I suppose there could be some decoupling by slackening off a bit without allowing the thing to wobble too much etc....

Sorry Mike, I don't buy it.

For example, take a look at the IEC plugs on the end of the Naim power cables. The wobbly fit of these into the sockets on the rear of the kit already provides decoupling if you really want it ... although I would prefer captive leads myself.

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After all, C is saying he has heard the difference.

Well of course he has because :- "this tweak was shown to me by my dealer who is very well respected within the Naim community"

The well-known tendency to hear what one expects to hear.

Hello

A message from the asylum.

JUST TRY IT !


Regards

T.C

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Originally posted by paul_g:
For example, take a look at the IEC plugs on the end of the Naim power cables. The wobbly fit of these into the female sockets on the rear of the kit already provides decoupling if you really want it ...

My impression is that TC is talking about the mains socket, which holds its plug pretty firmly and is normally screwed securely into the wall.

I'm not claiming I'm convinced, but if my mains socket wasn't hidden behind a bookcase, I'd give a try and report, rather than rubbish the suggestion straight out.

So who's going to try it?

Cheers

Mike (and his friends in white coats)