When is 1 not 1?

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
What they said.

If I have no apple(s) and someone gives me one apple, I have one apple; if he takes it away, I have no apple(s) again.

But before you were no worse off than you were before, but now you are. You can have the apple taken away, but you can't take away that you had it. A potential has been introduced.
Look...it's all a load of nonesense and I'm sure we all have better things to do..let's forget it, eh?! (That wasn't intended to be ironic).

I really miss that apple!

I'll buy you another. (Glad it wasn't Ferarri's Nigel).

OK, tomorrow I will be reading through this thread and will give you all the answer I had in mind when the question was posed.

Of course, it might be that your input has made me change my mind, still, lets see.

Watch this space.

Tim

So you're making it up as you go along??!!

You must be a very eminent physicist or cosmologist!

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Originally posted by Chillkram:
So you're making it up as you go along??!!
You must be a very eminent physicist or cosmologist!

That wasn't what I was thinking.

Any news TimCarter50?

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OK, tomorrow

???

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quote:
OK, tomorrow

???

The original quote was written on Tuesday. So tomorrow obviously meant Wednesday. Which is now yesterday..............

.........assuming, of course, that 0+1 = 1
...............................and 1+1 = 2


But since 1 isn't always 1, yesterday might not have been Wednesday, and today might be tomorrow sooner than you think........

No doubt tim has become as confused as the rest of us about the question, his version of the answer and when he might/might not publish his answer.

I seem to recall a song with words like "one is one and all alone and evermore shall be so", funny how the old brain works!

cheers

Don

Do you work on stock market?

Perhaps Tim has realised that, actually, 1 minus 1 is zero.

As Harry Nilsson said

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do
Two can be as bad as one
It's the loneliest number since the number one

or as Peano said

1. Zero is a number.

2. If A is a number, the successor of A is a number.

3. Zero is not the successor of a number.

4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal.

5. If a set of numbers contains zero and also the successor of every number in S, then every number is in S.

Shamelessly plagiarising Mike Lacey:

Thought I'd better push this to top of the stack so that tim can find it, we don't want him confused if its not on Page 1...........especially since 1+1 might not = 2 anymore.

Cheers

Don

I think he's on page zero.
Come back and give us your answer!
David

When I am away from home, I have 0 naim equipment to listen to, and this is "real".

"what's the difference between 0 and 1?"

Everything.

Jim

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Originally posted by Jim Lawson:
"what's the difference between 0 and 1?"

Everything.

Jim

Guys, and Gals, sorry I have been working away so although I said tomorrow last Tuesday, this is my first time back at a screen. Having said that, I guess today is tomorrow in terms of my access to the WEB.

Still, in that time someone did actually come up with the answer I was looking for, well done Jim, although he did not elaborate.

I will do so.

If you have murdered three people, murdering another one increases your count by one, of course. However, if you have never murdered anyone, and then you do, the differnece is much more than one, it is, as Jim says, everything. It is a fundemental change in who and what you are, much more than an increment.

Its the same for sex. If you have had two partners, a third is just one more. Whereas, the first is a fundemental and irreversable change that effects you for life.

I’m sure that if you can be bothered to waste the time you will come up with many other examples for yourselves. Marriage, Public Speaking, driving in London on your own, etc etc.

Just a final thought, if 0 to a 1 is much much bigger than 2 to a 3, it’s also true that as the numbers increase the lesser the value of 1 becomes. For example, the third time we have sex has a lower value in terms of impact than the first time, however, it’s still more impacting than when you do it for the twentieth time, and this more than the hundreth.

So that’s it. Boring I know but I hope some of you have enjoyed yourselves contributing to this.

Thanks Tim. We thought you weren't coming back.

So 1 is infinitely bigger than zero but 2 is twice the size of 1 etc.....?

The difference between 0 and 1 is still 1, though.

Mark

So it all boils down to sex and murder then..

Looks like I was right back on page 1 - this whole thing amounts to a big fat ZERO.

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Originally posted by Rasher:
So it all boils down to sex and murder then..

Someone could make an opera out of it

Or Dan Brown could write another best seller

I bought six lottery tickets, in six weeks, the sixth one changed my life.
You see, if you have never won the jackpot, and then you do, the differnece is much more than "the sixth ticket", it is, as Jim says, everything. It is a fundemental change in who and what you are, much more than an increment.

John.