Dynavector v. Naim
Posted by: onlythat on 15 June 2003
You know, I cant help noticing on other forums, and sometimes in print (Jason Hector in Hi FI+ for example), that some have given up all or part of their Naim sistems for the allure of other 'non-sistems'.
One of the more popular non-sistems people seem to jump to is Dynavector-- notably the hx75 or 1.2 amps and L200 or 100 pre-amps.
Does anyone have any direct a/b experience with these products? If so, have you found anything to recommend them over Naim in any way? Or if not, what WERE your findings?
Enquiring minds want to know.... DO tell
One of the more popular non-sistems people seem to jump to is Dynavector-- notably the hx75 or 1.2 amps and L200 or 100 pre-amps.
Does anyone have any direct a/b experience with these products? If so, have you found anything to recommend them over Naim in any way? Or if not, what WERE your findings?
Enquiring minds want to know.... DO tell
Hey-- I dont mean to start a war here. I just wanna know about Dynavector/DNM/Exposure vs. Naim.
And ok, just for giggles (since we're having so much fun already
)-- let's throw Lavardin into the mix.
And ok, just for giggles (since we're having so much fun already
)-- let's throw Lavardin into the mix.Hi Omer,
You don't think my question #2 is good, eh?
I wanted to implicitly point out that 1) Naim do not provide a full system, and 2) it would be hypocrite of Naim if they believe that single brand approach is the way to go and yet provide an "upgrade" to Linn turntable at the same time.
Joongul
You don't think my question #2 is good, eh?
I wanted to implicitly point out that 1) Naim do not provide a full system, and 2) it would be hypocrite of Naim if they believe that single brand approach is the way to go and yet provide an "upgrade" to Linn turntable at the same time.
Joongul
Hello all
Right, here goes. The original question was "has anyone had direct A/B experience comparing Naim vs Dynavector.
I gave my opinion (ok it was heated but then hey, what fun we're having!) and that's all it was.
To John Toon: You say that an amplifier shouldn't sound like anything. A lofty ideal but unrealisable. They ALL sound something don't they? So tell me, have you tried your Brystons on a CD player other than the Naim. If you do I bet it sounds a whole heap different. It'll sound like Brand X going thru Brystons won't it. Wether you realise it or not John, your system is really a Naim, justn not 100% Naim. And if your Brystons really are neutral then you're going to hear the CD player even more, so How is that "ludicrous"? Also it was the Linn Troika cartridge that was the one to have on your Naimed up LP12.
To Vuk: I've never said that each Naim was designed to work with every other Naim, and I agree with you, they do sound different but they all sound like NAIM don't they. I also don't believe that a Naim kit s neutral. I believe that there is no such thing and will never be attainable.
I think Simon supports what I'm trying to say: Dynavectors have a Synergy: Shahinians, Well-Tempered, Dynavector cartridges and Kimber cables. So which bit is the Naim belong in. It doesn't, and that's my point. If you like Dynavector fine with me.
and the original question was "what do you think is better?"
I've heard the Shahinian/Dynavector thing and I feel it's a real plodder. Thumpy bass, no timing and usually stupidly overscaled. BTW they usually put a Meridian CD player on the front end which is the final nail in the coffin. But if you like heaps of detail and loud and really structured "hifi" sounding stuff then get your pennies out cause it's for you! It's also really overt and is the total opposite to Naim.
And I'm not "passionately interested in hifi". I really couldn't give a hoot, especially after years of watching the boffins run round and round in little circles searching for their next hifi fix, wasting all that money and never being satisfied.
I like music and I believe that Naim plays music the best for me, that's all.
I await your fervent replies!!
Right, here goes. The original question was "has anyone had direct A/B experience comparing Naim vs Dynavector.
I gave my opinion (ok it was heated but then hey, what fun we're having!) and that's all it was.
To John Toon: You say that an amplifier shouldn't sound like anything. A lofty ideal but unrealisable. They ALL sound something don't they? So tell me, have you tried your Brystons on a CD player other than the Naim. If you do I bet it sounds a whole heap different. It'll sound like Brand X going thru Brystons won't it. Wether you realise it or not John, your system is really a Naim, justn not 100% Naim. And if your Brystons really are neutral then you're going to hear the CD player even more, so How is that "ludicrous"? Also it was the Linn Troika cartridge that was the one to have on your Naimed up LP12.
To Vuk: I've never said that each Naim was designed to work with every other Naim, and I agree with you, they do sound different but they all sound like NAIM don't they. I also don't believe that a Naim kit s neutral. I believe that there is no such thing and will never be attainable.
I think Simon supports what I'm trying to say: Dynavectors have a Synergy: Shahinians, Well-Tempered, Dynavector cartridges and Kimber cables. So which bit is the Naim belong in. It doesn't, and that's my point. If you like Dynavector fine with me.
and the original question was "what do you think is better?"
I've heard the Shahinian/Dynavector thing and I feel it's a real plodder. Thumpy bass, no timing and usually stupidly overscaled. BTW they usually put a Meridian CD player on the front end which is the final nail in the coffin. But if you like heaps of detail and loud and really structured "hifi" sounding stuff then get your pennies out cause it's for you! It's also really overt and is the total opposite to Naim.
And I'm not "passionately interested in hifi". I really couldn't give a hoot, especially after years of watching the boffins run round and round in little circles searching for their next hifi fix, wasting all that money and never being satisfied.
I like music and I believe that Naim plays music the best for me, that's all.
I await your fervent replies!!
Onlythat,
Ebirah and I tried a HX1.2 against an olive style 250 in a CDS2/52/Shahinian Arcs setup. Both setups sounded fantasic. We listened to folk, classical and rock. Both of us could live happily with either amp. Both of us have olive 250 amps. The HX1.2 is beautifully integrated, organic, fluid and musical. The 250 is exciting, boogied and is musical. We both prefered the HX1.2, but only just, it was close. However the price difference was not. we both already owned our 250's, so a change would cost way too much music.
Another friend, Andy, also likes both the HX1.2 and the 250. He prefers the 250 and if he were upgrading would move to a pair of Naim 135 amps. Interestingly both Ebirah and I have moved from SBLs to Shainian Arcs, whilst Andy prefers his SBLs.
Noel.
Ebirah and I tried a HX1.2 against an olive style 250 in a CDS2/52/Shahinian Arcs setup. Both setups sounded fantasic. We listened to folk, classical and rock. Both of us could live happily with either amp. Both of us have olive 250 amps. The HX1.2 is beautifully integrated, organic, fluid and musical. The 250 is exciting, boogied and is musical. We both prefered the HX1.2, but only just, it was close. However the price difference was not. we both already owned our 250's, so a change would cost way too much music.
Another friend, Andy, also likes both the HX1.2 and the 250. He prefers the 250 and if he were upgrading would move to a pair of Naim 135 amps. Interestingly both Ebirah and I have moved from SBLs to Shainian Arcs, whilst Andy prefers his SBLs.
Noel.
JToon said
On the contrary John, I think there are a number of punters around these forums who do just that! This is supported in part by the accusations of sheepishness for those who "follow the party line" - as though choosing niche products is evidence of "freethinking" - when in fact the goal is merely listening to music. There are folks buying niche appeal products in all sorts of fields - from Cars to Clothes... why should mention of such in conjunction with HiFi result in a rapid ascent to the moral high ground accompanied by a chorus of indignation and insult?
Please note I am not suggesting you or Alex fall into that category!
Joe90 raises some interesting points - quite a "strong" reception, considering. Its perhaps noteworthy to observe the strongest responses from those with "patchwork" systems? Raw nerves or just strong opinions.
At any rate, I should like to point out that the cartridge for the Naim sound IIRC was an either a Troika, as Joe90 mentioned, or the FR that JV apparrently preferred.
regards
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
PS - Joe90 you're conversing with Omer (Vuk's Son) rather than Vuk himself.
PPS - all - note I've avoided a brand-based argument entirely?!
quote:
Alex made the "Twatroll" remark probably because he was pretty pissed at your suggestion that someone simply buys Dynavector components for the "niche appeal" as you describe it. How insulting! To suggest that someone buys something just to be "underground" or whatever is the worst insult you can make to anyone passionately interested in Hifi, particularly if the person in question spent a great deal of time coming to the decision after much critical listening.
On the contrary John, I think there are a number of punters around these forums who do just that! This is supported in part by the accusations of sheepishness for those who "follow the party line" - as though choosing niche products is evidence of "freethinking" - when in fact the goal is merely listening to music. There are folks buying niche appeal products in all sorts of fields - from Cars to Clothes... why should mention of such in conjunction with HiFi result in a rapid ascent to the moral high ground accompanied by a chorus of indignation and insult?
Please note I am not suggesting you or Alex fall into that category!
Joe90 raises some interesting points - quite a "strong" reception, considering. Its perhaps noteworthy to observe the strongest responses from those with "patchwork" systems? Raw nerves or just strong opinions.
At any rate, I should like to point out that the cartridge for the Naim sound IIRC was an either a Troika, as Joe90 mentioned, or the FR that JV apparrently preferred.
regards
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
PS - Joe90 you're conversing with Omer (Vuk's Son) rather than Vuk himself.
PPS - all - note I've avoided a brand-based argument entirely?!