Love him or Hate Him, Don't Ignore Him

Go buy Sinatra at the sands and be done with it! Frank at the peak of his powers fronting the Count Basie orchestra. It does not get better that that!!!

Get the originator not the impersonator.

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Give it a try

NO
And there are not many I would say that about-
IMHO talentless twat and I would never give his singing voice over to my precious equipment for fear of damage!
Puts on tin hat and runs for cover

I'd rather shoot the f*cker, than use any of the options you've given here.

He may be a tremendously nice chap away from the recording studio, but he couldn't sing to save his life. I despair when I see posts like this. Why not listen to someone instead who could sing, such as Jeff Buckley?

I would have given this the benefit of doubt a while back. Quite enjoyed some of his singles. However, I took my wife to see him in Sydney a few years back as I thought she would enjoy it. We both thought it was dreadful as did the Sydney Morning Herald review the next day which slammed him. A totally lazy, disinterested and unsavoury man. We could not manage the whole show and went for a meal out instead.

As some of his old band mates would say...

TAKE THAT!

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Originally posted by Simon Matthews:
Go buy Sinatra at the sands and be done with it! Frank at the peak of his powers fronting the Count Basie orchestra. It does not get better that that!!!

Get the originator not the impersonator.

Or Frank and Count Basie - It Might As Well Be Swing

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Originally posted by allthingsanalogue:

You may like Swing or Hate it and the same could be said for this Artist. I've had it since it came out on Vinyl, must be weighing in at 200g as well. Well what can I say, never really bothered with swing but have always like Robbie Williams so bought this just to add to the collection and it really is a Superb Album and fantastic production. Couple of cheesy tunes the rest is very catchy and you can’t help but sing along to it.

Give it a try and even if you don't like it you can't argue with the sound quality and obviously if you can find it on Vinyl anywhere it's even better.

What an odd post.

I like swing but this [Williams] isn't swing. Can't see why anyone would think that it was.

Also, I don't listen to records/CDs whatever for the sound quality. I, like most other people I would imagine, listen to music.

Rather than waste your time with pretentious crap like Williams, may I suggest something that really swings?

Like this?



Or this?

Sinatra and Williams are in the permanently ignore pile.

Betcha wish you hadn't bothered..!

Is thos not another example of people trampling all over others' feelings by being negative about something their own taste prevents them from enjoying.

My feelings on this are strong enough and negative enough for me to think posting them here would be un-callled-for.

The other day I made a paradoxical post about Muse, which Howard [BigH47] took as being perfevtly serious.

How little he knows me, in his [at least possibly simulated] annoyance at my [paeadoxically put] negativity about Muse. The truth is that my real view about Muse would again be un-called-for here [and is not to b e comapred to the three comically ironic words I used to describe the band to illustrate the point the rest of this post will explain], but that would be my personal view and should not alter anyone else's view or their recorded output, or even live concerts. It was pure parody, both of myself and negativity in the part of the Forum.

The truth is probably that in terms of modern Pop music we are living in unprecendentedly talent-barren times where musocoans like Robbie Williams arw prepared to take a concept of music and rehash it in a modern recording with a fraction of the originality or quality of say simatra, and agin I cannot be very direct in my view on him either.

So generally I avoid commenting.

Years ago the Music Room used to marked by often rather self-satisfied thread that seemed to revel in pseudo-intellectual critiques of musicians - popolar and classical, that essentially were 100 per cent negative.

These threads served exactly no purpose in promotong the enjoyment of music, and were only about serving the self-image of puffed-up self-satisfied people who loved to pretend learning in a given subject by apparently making preudo-erudite posts that slated performing artists.

I have to say that I really did go to town on these negative threads! But you are safe. I have less energy now!

Plus the set is more inviting than ever, and I can't tear myself away from good radio and good music or film in the evening nearly so freely as I once did!

So carry on and be as negative as you like, even if the negativity more often than not reflects straight back on the poster of it!

ATB from George

Frankie Goes To Hollywood - yes!

Ole blue eyes - mon Dieu!

ATB from George

George if you want to be paradoxical use a paradoxical smilie or some other way of indication.

Remember there are no tells from a keyboard.

Dear Howard,

Be sure that when I am not passionate [Bach, Haydn, Schubert and lesser loves], then I am paradoxicalQ

I still hold you in th hioghest personal esteme

Send me an email shortl.

ATB from George

PS: Last post was genuinely an efectonaye;y Wodka powered!

My! There's some very aggressive and unnecessary posts here folks.

Personally, Robbie Williams isn't my cup of tea, but I certainly don't find him objectionable, and those who do like him are perfectly entitled to do so. There is lots of stuff out there I find far more disagreeable, but George is right in his view.

The fact Mr Williams appears to be an unpleasant person is completely irrelevant. Frank Sinatra was a pleasant chap then?

I thought Robbie Williams did "Swing When You're Winning" because he liked swing and wanted to do something he enjoyed? Sure, he recorded and released it to make money, but if you don't like it, don't buy it! I have never heard it, but do have Sing WYW and really enjoy it.

I think Robbie is rather arrogant, but also mixed up and can understand why people find him offensive and crude.

I say that sitting here listening to Eminem (whom I enjoy too). I have a hugely eclectic taste in music and it's because of the apparent Music Room snobbery that I hardly ever post here for fear of being lambasted.

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Originally posted by Jagster:
I thought Robbie Williams did "Swing When You're Winning" because he liked swing and wanted to do something he enjoyed? Sure, he recorded and released it to make money, but if you don't like it, don't buy it! I have never heard it, but do have Sing WYW and really enjoy it.

I think Robbie is rather arrogant, but also mixed up and can understand why people find him offensive and crude.

I say that sitting here listening to Eminem (whom I enjoy too). I have a hugely eclectic taste in music and it's because of the apparent Music Room snobbery that I hardly ever post here for fear of being lambasted.

Yes, I have to agree this is a really depressing thread. I think you can get away with being rude and funny in real life face-to-face conversations but all the subtlties of human communication are lost on forums like these. Even if no offence is intended, some of this stuff across as harsh; agreessive, and egocentric.

Sorry, I think some of you are being prissy in the extreme.

Part of the joy of music, of being a music fan (as opposed to someone who sits around listening to Dire Straits hi-fi demo records never disagreeing with anyone) is arguing about it passionately. Snobbery (inverted or otherwise), oneupmanship, sessions deep into the night, sharing, point-scoring, shouting, listening, is all part of the fun. Part of agreeing, disagreeing, acquiring, swapping, what makes listening to music such a wonderful humanexperience.

It's called a forum. Someone says something, someone else agrees or disagrees. Sometimes it gets a bit heated but so what? This place is rather mild (it used to be a lot more vigorous - and, I have to say, fun - six or seven years ago) compared to many fora.

Come on chaps, grow some cojones!

Kx

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Originally posted by Simon Matthews:
Go buy Sinatra at the sands and be done with it! Frank at the peak of his powers fronting the Count Basie orchestra. It does not get better that that!!!

Get the originator not the impersonator.

Absolutely. Williams is five day old fish compared.

As the thread title says - "love him or hate him". Some views on the latter.

We did not "ignore him". We owned most of his albums, used to like playing them for easy to travel to music for the family, were impressed by him at live aid 2 or whatever it was in hyde park. And then having put our money into two expensive concert tickets, could not believe how little he was prepared to do - effort - to take our cash - he was bored, you could see it. The press thought the same.

We have not played his music since. A bad concert experience, can kill off an interest in an artist. I will be trying my hardest not to buy his new album but time will tell if the kids fall for it.

Thanks everyone who supported me in having an opnion. Nice to now that everybody is entitled to an opinion and after all i'm not saying anything against Sinatra even if he was a gangster.

All I was trying to do is broaden peoples horizons rather than trying to decide for the millionth time what version of Pink Floyds - Dark Side sounds best!!

Try something new you might love it or hate it but don't slag something off untill you know what is is you are talking about, a litle knowledge is dangerous.

Some people say that on this forum you are not allowed an opinion and blame the moderators, but in my experience it's the members people need to afraid of as it seems to be you are only allowed an opinion if it's shared by everyone else. Shame on you!

JamieWednesday said that i bet I wish I had not bothered, think he was right and i probably wont next time.

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All I was trying to do is broaden peoples horizons rather than trying to decide for the millionth time what version of Pink Floyds - Dark Side sounds best!!

I have been there!

All good with me if the Robbie album floats your boat. However, by and large, I prefer the original recordings of a particular musical style over modern interpretations. Although if I think about it there are probably many exceptions to that rule.

Either way my recommendations would be to stick Robbie on a full blast, have a good sing song and tell us all to go stick it!

My tuppence worth:
1)I think I prefer Robbie Williams the performer to Robbie Williams the gentleman. I would probably chose to listen to Frank Sinatra, but if Williams brings young people to Sinatra, and who knows, Basie, Ellington, Billie Holiday, then great.
2) I love Sinatra's timing, but find something in his pitching troublesome. I am not alone on this. But I do not think people who find his voice faultless are stupid, worthless or misguided. They may even be right.
3) I rather like Michael Buble's work, and some of the orchestration is great.
Don, overcast downtown York
PS - a point alluded to in several posts recently - this forum is getting a bit scratchy, abrupt, and perhaps some folk are over-sensitive to this. We will all have to try to make it better. It has lost some of its unique silliness and fun.

Thanks Don. I value yorr opnions. I think there are lots of performers in the the world we love but maybe would not like the person. You hit the nail on the head.

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Originally posted by Don Phillips:
I love Sinatra's timing, but find something in his pitching troublesome. I am not alone on this.

Yes, you are alone. Sinatra was SINATRA. The Chairman of the Board THE VOICE. How dare you ! He was perfect! In EVERY respect !

Seriously. Is the forum scratchy ? Is it too negative ? Come, come, it's the same as it always was. People can post a negative post about people who post negatively..

Then maybe we have gone overboard..ha ha..

A negative post can be positive because it shows people actually give a toss about something as archaic as MUSIC. So bring on the negative, bring on the positive,.. and don't let anyone intimidate you as to HOW or WHY you should post. We don't need no thought control...


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