Intro or Epos M12
Posted by: mystik on 20 November 2003
I'm a little upset at selling my B&W CDM1SE's a while ago for the older black Intro speakers. I'm now considering a pair of Epos M12's. Will they be better? I mainly listen to acoustic guitar and just want a great vocal/guitar quality with perhaps not as much thundering bass like the Intros.
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by joe90
Epos are very reputable speakers. "Better" is a personal judgement, although you'll probably find the Intro is oft critcised.
I like what they do, personally, and think most of their 'faults' are caused by bad placement, and perhaps a lack of front end ability.
I think many go round and round looking for speakers to solve their problems when they would be better off improving the front of the system.
In your case I would try to score a 2nd hand flatcap, of a 90/3 power amp, or even a hicap.
The bass will be transformed and big changes will happen elsewhere too.
also, as mentioned, check your setup. If the Intros are too close to the wall, they will boom. If you have a wooden floor and have not done so, after finding a great placement, drive Phillips head screws into the floor so your speaker spikes can sit in the screws' heads. This will tighten the bass like nothing I've ever heard. It might cost you a few pennies for them.
Joe90
I like what they do, personally, and think most of their 'faults' are caused by bad placement, and perhaps a lack of front end ability.
I think many go round and round looking for speakers to solve their problems when they would be better off improving the front of the system.
In your case I would try to score a 2nd hand flatcap, of a 90/3 power amp, or even a hicap.
The bass will be transformed and big changes will happen elsewhere too.
also, as mentioned, check your setup. If the Intros are too close to the wall, they will boom. If you have a wooden floor and have not done so, after finding a great placement, drive Phillips head screws into the floor so your speaker spikes can sit in the screws' heads. This will tighten the bass like nothing I've ever heard. It might cost you a few pennies for them.
Joe90
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by Erik (DK)
The only Naim speakers I've heard were active SBLs (for 5 minutes), so can't comment on your current speakers. But Keb Mo can sound fantastic on a pair of Kan 2's with cd 3,5 and 92/90/3 or Nait 2 (so should work with the nait 3 too) - but you should have no carpet and be take care of proper setup. I've also tried epos 14, which very more alround and suited my taste, but unfortunately not the room I moved to. They can be a bit boomy with with less than a 72. But for guitar and vocal in a small room the Kans are something special. I may make you want to add a cap to your cd 3.5 though. Compared to the Epos 14's the Kans have much more edge to the sound which generally suits a western guitar. Changing to Epos 14 may introduce new qualities to your playback, but you may also loose some of the leading edge/timing.
Best of all probably would be to try to move the Naims a little around
Best regards
Erik
Best of all probably would be to try to move the Naims a little around
Best regards
Erik
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by alex95
M12s are pretty fussy, though sound great when at their best, heard intros once and thought they were pants, not Naim's strength, but give them a listen.
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by J.N.
Different Ball Games
Two friends have Intros on the end of their Naim systems and get a great sound.
They seem to get unfair press - all the great Naim traits are present, if a little rough around the edges; but they boogie like a bastard.
The M12's sound thick and slow by comparison.
Two friends have Intros on the end of their Naim systems and get a great sound.
They seem to get unfair press - all the great Naim traits are present, if a little rough around the edges; but they boogie like a bastard.
The M12's sound thick and slow by comparison.
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by undertone
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Originally posted by alex95:
M12s are pretty fussy
I disagree completely. M12 is one of the easiest loudspeakers to set up and get almost spot on (>95%) in under 5 minutes. Spend the next two weeks calibrating their position and you've really got something. They do sound best on their bespoke stands which are not expensive compared to rubbish sounding ones that cost more. Here's a tweak you can perform to make the Epos stands sound even better. They come with 4 spikes which is normal for most speaker stands. On the narrow face, drill and tap a 5th hole right in the middle (local machine shop can do it in 10 minutes). Now you can set them up with 3 spikes in a triangle. Easier to level than with 4, and sound better. On the top plate, use the spikes, Blu-tak makes them sound a bit mushy in comparison.
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by Mike Sae
Hey msytik, I've owned CDM1se, listened to Intros on a regular basis and have ordered a pair of M12 (albeit all in different systems) so I'd like to help.
Hope to be agreeing with undertone on this one. M12s are incoming tomorrow, but will need plenty of time to break in and I don't think NACA5 will do them any favors in my creek setup...
Hope to be agreeing with undertone on this one. M12s are incoming tomorrow, but will need plenty of time to break in and I don't think NACA5 will do them any favors in my creek setup...
Posted on: 20 November 2003 by Lightkeeper
Mystik,
I own Intros 2 and I have had Epos ES12.
No competition at all. Intro is just a missing link to an entry level Naim system.
Stay away from Epos especially if you have a new Naim series components, cos' you can get extremly dry sound.
I own Intros 2 and I have had Epos ES12.
No competition at all. Intro is just a missing link to an entry level Naim system.
Stay away from Epos especially if you have a new Naim series components, cos' you can get extremly dry sound.
Posted on: 21 November 2003 by Scribemole
Have to agree totally with Joe90.
Intro 2's are vastly underrated. I've never had anything other than tight controlled bass from them and have to say that if you have problems with them then you need to reposition them or improve the rest of the system. I have Intro2's and SBL's at the moment and due to being unable to position the SBL's right up to the wall with some space either side, the Intro's stomp all over them. So I'm keeping the Intro's and selling the SBL's.
[This message was edited by Richard Dane on FRIDAY 21 November 2003 at 10:50.]
Intro 2's are vastly underrated. I've never had anything other than tight controlled bass from them and have to say that if you have problems with them then you need to reposition them or improve the rest of the system. I have Intro2's and SBL's at the moment and due to being unable to position the SBL's right up to the wall with some space either side, the Intro's stomp all over them. So I'm keeping the Intro's and selling the SBL's.
[This message was edited by Richard Dane on FRIDAY 21 November 2003 at 10:50.]