What is the effect of the Fraim compared to Mana?
Posted by: kuma on 30 November 2003
It seems many folks are switching from Mana to Fraim.
What are the major differences ( if any ) between them?
Can someone describe Mana Effect vs. Fraim Effect?
What are the major differences ( if any ) between them?
Can someone describe Mana Effect vs. Fraim Effect?
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Now, take the same "super stand" constructed in the paragraph above and use it with a system that's had it's speaker connections wired out-of-phase. You've just experienced The Mana Effect.
I wonder if Mick Parry uses Mana supports.............?
Mana and Speakers
Hi Mick and Marc, I would second that, provided it doesn't approach oil-rig standards. But there's still the daunting thought (and fear) of having to reset the platforms over some time that's passed, and with the DBLs, it doesn't become a very practical feasibility in that regard.
Can't say the same for Mana platforms under the electronics though. (oh no, what have I just said?!) My experience, and opinion, or course.
Good listening; the music's groovin' frightfully more.
Rgds
Philip
naimniac for life
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I find Mana good under speakers on concrete floors.
Hi Mick and Marc, I would second that, provided it doesn't approach oil-rig standards. But there's still the daunting thought (and fear) of having to reset the platforms over some time that's passed, and with the DBLs, it doesn't become a very practical feasibility in that regard.
Can't say the same for Mana platforms under the electronics though. (oh no, what have I just said?!) My experience, and opinion, or course.
Good listening; the music's groovin' frightfully more.
Rgds
Philip
naimniac for life
Mana Set-Ups & The Likes of Hutter & Fraims
Alex, I was going to say that for the Fraims as well, but stopped short since the reality might induce the ire of our moderators here. But the drift was spot on.
Thanks John, for your post, which was an interesting read on "behalf" and the "defence" of Mana. I am heartened to find your "loyalty" towards Mana undiminished in any way in a forum which seems largely pre-disposed towards the Fraims and Hutters as the support of choice - and like you said to each his own.
You touched a chord there about those of us who have (incompetently) tried Mana on occasions over the years and still could not get it right. It is incompetence on my part yes, but I also happen to think I should pays my money, do the set-up with my dealer's experienced help, and just sit back and enjoy the music, without having to think whether I'd done up the nuts and bolts too tightly, or whether my platforms were really level after fingering with 4 points, or whether the finger tap test (is it the nail or the flesh or a combo of both?) was correctly applied, or if the ring from the glass platforms was really ideal-sounding to ensure we got the tone right - this after going down on my knees and labouring for hours on end, sweating, aching, cursing, and usually in the foulest of moods to render any subsequent auditions a nightmare. And then, when you do press "play", something's nearly always amiss. The worst is, you don't even know if what you're getting sounds right or wrong, cos every tweak, every turn alters the sound in all ways imaginable. Get it right and suddenly one day, you come home to a sound that's flat, lifeless and even harsh, only to find out you need to reset all the work you've done previously just to bring it up to mark. That's utter lunacy for a simple thing called an equipment support for which we pay, that's supposed to add to our musical enjoyment, not detract so heavily from it because of our supposed incompetence to "setting it up right". Is it then the lack of clear set-up instructions now, or the inherent design fault of the support, or the paying customer's incompetence or even better, the experienced dealer's incompetence at set-up?
No, thank you.
No matter how good the sound could be, it's not worth that kind of effort and the extroadinary amount of time or patience I would need just to get my equipment supports to sound right. I suspect most of us like minimal fuss and yes, rather lazily at that, without having to sweat to the point we start to lose interest in what we've just paid for to enjoy our music more. I want a rack to just plonk down with as little fuss possible (some fuss is ok, and yes I would like to be able to rely on myself to do the set-up without a dealer for the sheer heck of it), and then just play and enjoy my investment.
Enter Hutter, and the Fraims.
Want to know the difference between the Fraims and the Mana? The Fraims groove and they do it with a mixture of grace and edge of seat drama, with an accompanying extension that makes every nuace of the note palpable and more importantly, natural-sounding. The icing of the cake is you just level the bottom platforms, plonk the rest of the shelves and components without over-fidgetting, press play and just sit back and enjoy. The Hutters also do all of this, perhaps to a lesser degree.
You couldn't ever do that with a Mana.
Good listening; the music's groovin' frightfully more.
Philip
naimniac for life
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Hutter's excellent, even when badly set up.
Alex, I was going to say that for the Fraims as well, but stopped short since the reality might induce the ire of our moderators here.
But the drift was spot on.Thanks John, for your post, which was an interesting read on "behalf" and the "defence" of Mana. I am heartened to find your "loyalty" towards Mana undiminished in any way in a forum which seems largely pre-disposed towards the Fraims and Hutters as the support of choice - and like you said to each his own.
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The simple fact is that most people who try Mana out are incompetent at setting it up.
You touched a chord there about those of us who have (incompetently) tried Mana on occasions over the years and still could not get it right. It is incompetence on my part yes, but I also happen to think I should pays my money, do the set-up with my dealer's experienced help, and just sit back and enjoy the music, without having to think whether I'd done up the nuts and bolts too tightly, or whether my platforms were really level after fingering with 4 points, or whether the finger tap test (is it the nail or the flesh or a combo of both?) was correctly applied, or if the ring from the glass platforms was really ideal-sounding to ensure we got the tone right - this after going down on my knees and labouring for hours on end, sweating, aching, cursing, and usually in the foulest of moods to render any subsequent auditions a nightmare. And then, when you do press "play", something's nearly always amiss. The worst is, you don't even know if what you're getting sounds right or wrong, cos every tweak, every turn alters the sound in all ways imaginable. Get it right and suddenly one day, you come home to a sound that's flat, lifeless and even harsh, only to find out you need to reset all the work you've done previously just to bring it up to mark. That's utter lunacy for a simple thing called an equipment support for which we pay, that's supposed to add to our musical enjoyment, not detract so heavily from it because of our supposed incompetence to "setting it up right". Is it then the lack of clear set-up instructions now, or the inherent design fault of the support, or the paying customer's incompetence or even better, the experienced dealer's incompetence at set-up?
No, thank you.
No matter how good the sound could be, it's not worth that kind of effort and the extroadinary amount of time or patience I would need just to get my equipment supports to sound right. I suspect most of us like minimal fuss and yes, rather lazily at that, without having to sweat to the point we start to lose interest in what we've just paid for to enjoy our music more. I want a rack to just plonk down with as little fuss possible (some fuss is ok, and yes I would like to be able to rely on myself to do the set-up without a dealer for the sheer heck of it), and then just play and enjoy my investment.
Enter Hutter, and the Fraims.
Want to know the difference between the Fraims and the Mana? The Fraims groove and they do it with a mixture of grace and edge of seat drama, with an accompanying extension that makes every nuace of the note palpable and more importantly, natural-sounding. The icing of the cake is you just level the bottom platforms, plonk the rest of the shelves and components without over-fidgetting, press play and just sit back and enjoy. The Hutters also do all of this, perhaps to a lesser degree.
You couldn't ever do that with a Mana.
Good listening; the music's groovin' frightfully more.
Philip
naimniac for life
Revisited
Manas, Fraims, Hutter, Quadraspire, Base - whatever makes each of us happy.
But some do sound better than others.
Good listening; the music grooves frightfully more with some supports.
Rgds
Philip
naimniac for life
Manas, Fraims, Hutter, Quadraspire, Base - whatever makes each of us happy.
But some do sound better than others.
Good listening; the music grooves frightfully more with some supports.
Rgds
Philip
naimniac for life
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I am heartened to find your "loyalty" towards Mana undiminished in any way in a forum which _seems_ largely pre-disposed towards the Fraims and Hutters
Sorry to butt in here, and not wishing to step on John's toes, but I don't think it's a case of loyalty. I think we are all much the same insofar as if it don't work - it goes. Stuff stays on its merits only methinks
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Are you saying if an individual auditions a Mana'd system (with install quality verified by Mana personnel) and finds it sonically "displeasing", "out of tune", "not my cup of tea", "sh*te", or "lacking"...the auditioner is deaf, stupid or wrong?
LOL. So, I take it Mana tables didn't work out to your liking?
