A general rant about driving standards

Posted by: Dungassin on 06 May 2010

I'm feeling a little bit cranky tonight (so SWMBO says)

We drove up to Lancashire today to visit my sister in hospital (getting better, thank you very much)

All the usual problems were in evidence :

Morons who tailgate you when there's no way you can speed up or get out of their way.

Idiots who cut into tiny spaces when you leave something resembling a safe gap between you and the vehicle in front - usually without signalling

Drivers who don't seem to own anything resembling an indicator. This is especially evident on lane-changing or on roundabouts.

Total lack of forethought when coming to an exit leading to cutting in dangerously.

Drivers on approach roads who think they can just slot in, without considering what is already on the motorway. Usually means I have to accelerate or break hard to avoid an "incident". Perhaps they think I can just move out into the (non-existent) gap in the lane to my right?

Drivers who think the left hand lane is for lorries only.

Even the coppers are guilty of these offences. I know - I've seen it far too often.

Then I got irritated by advertisements for devices to enable speeders to cheat. Couldn't they just obey the law?

Elderly drivers who really ought to give up driving (I got stuck behind one old dear doing 15 miles an hour on a non-dual carriageway). SWMBO is under instructions to make me stop driving if I ever get to be like that.

Rant over - back to watching the whole of the original Doctor Who (well, those you can actually get)
Posted on: 06 May 2010 by TomK
Agree entirely. One thing that really bugs me is people driving well below the speed limit when it's perfectly safe to drive at the speed limit. I think driving too slowly can SOMETIMES cause more problems than speeding.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Bruce Woodhouse
Yeah, I've done a few of those in my time too. Still, at least we all recognise the error(s) of our ways Smile

Bruce
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Mike-B
GREAT RANT Dr John

All of your rant is totally justified, I am not an advocate of punishing driving bad habits, they are not always an offence, but just plain bad driving & most likely the offender is just unaware of what they are doing wrong.
How about some errors being required to take a re-test, failure could mean a loss of licence until they pass.

My pet rants are all motorway related.
Centre Lane Owners Club
Crawler Lane Brigade
Fast Lane Only Racing Club
The Society for the Preservation of The Planet at 65mph (affiliated to CLOC & CLB)
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
My pet rants are all motorway related.
Centre Lane Owners Club
Crawler Lane Brigade
Fast Lane Only Racing Club
The Society for the Preservation of The Planet at 65mph (affiliated to CLOC & CLB)

Agreed.

I've just remembered some more things which irritate me :

1. Does my car have a magnet attached to it? How many times have you pulled out to pass a slower car only to have them slowly accelerate as you pass them. Usually ends up with me putting my foot down for a few seconds to complete the manoeuvre. The offender then usually promptly slows down as I do likewise while continuing to pull away. It's even more obvious when the road is quiet and my cruise control is on.

2. Drivers who SLOW DOWN when they're overtaking. If anything, they should accelerate temporarily to complete the manoeuvre quickly.

3. Drivers who think foglights should ALWAYS be switched on, regardless of conditions.

4. Idiots who beep their horn when departing from visiting relatives/friends.

5. More on signalling - those who seem to ignore pedestrians - signalling for other cars, but not bothering for pedestrians as they try to run you over when turning into a side road.

6. I have a basic rule when driving. If someone desperately trying to get into a queue of traffic is using their indicators, then I will let them in. If they don't, well they can wait there forever as far as I am concerned.

I love these misanthropic threads ...

Winker
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by tonym
quote:
Originally posted by Dr John William Martin:
If someone desperately trying to get into a queue of traffic is using their indicators, then I will let them in. If they don't, well they can wait there forever as far as I am concerned.
Winker


I do that too John. Childish I know...

I also find the roads are stacked with bad drivers, but IMO it's caused by ignorance, excessive aggression and bad manners.

Personally I'm not vexed by folk who wish to drive slowly, and I'm content to wait for those in the middle lane who don't pull over too promptly, as long as there's something in the slow lane they're catching up with to overtake.

Having spent 10 years on a daily 150-mile commute, plus one day a fortnight a 300 mile round trip to Leeds & home, I quickly learned that getting het up didn't achieve anything and by gently pottering along with the flow I arrived in a similar time but much more relaxed.

People who tailgate are perhaps the most irritating and having been a passenger with a few such drivers, with my left foot buried firmly into the carpet, they all appear to be oblivious to either the danger they put themselves and others in, and the sheer nonsense of having to keep braking. Weird really, and just a habit some folks seem to have gotten into.

Few people take a pride in their driving. A bit of courtesy works wonders too.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by BigH47
I seem to have a target on me today. Several move overs and pull outs. Worst case, a driver crossing the double line and cross hatching at the southern entry from M25 to M23, only trouble was I wasn't passed him, fortunately he realised in time and continued his illegal move behind me.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
People who stop to let pedestrians cross in random places, or let somebody emerge from a side road when there is only one car - mine - behind them.

Letting pedestrians cross ad-hoc is rally dangerous; seeing a stationary car could just lead to a vehicle behind it overtaking. Pedestrian gets hit. Saw this yesterday, with a pram being pushed.

People ( nearly always female) who do not realised that if, when they were waiting to turn right actually pulled over to the white line, would allow traffic to pass to their left.

The utter @~#*7$ in Farnham a couple of months ago, enetering a mini roundabout at my 2 o'clock did not indicate and steered to his left. Seeing his tyres pointing that way, I started to enter the roundabout. He then suddenly pulled hard right, without indicating, and gave ME the evils when I emergency-stopped.

I wish I'd rammed the c@*6.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by Dr John William Martin:
We drove up to Lancashire today to visit my sister in hospital (getting better, thank you very much)



Glad to hear it.

Lancashire has for too long been ignored.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by scottyhammer
The most bizare peice of driving that i have ever witnessed was an asian guy reversing around a roundabout in Ilford because he had missed his exit.....luckily it was around 1am on a week day and there was hardly anyone about.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
Worst thing I ever saw was an old dear trying to enter the A38 at Burton (a dual carriageway) the wrong way! I was coming up the slip road at the time, ao I blocked her from completing her intended idiocy. She was very indignant, and refused to believe she was doing something wrong. Luckily enough (for once) one of our local Traffic Cops arrived behind me and sorted her out. It was quite busy at the time! Wonder if she gave up driving after that? I severely doubt it.

I think I'm going to enjoy this thread ...
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
I do that too John. Childish I know...

I also find the roads are stacked with bad drivers, but IMO it's caused by ignorance, excessive aggression and bad manners.

Personally I'm not vexed by folk who wish to drive slowly, and I'm content to wait for those in the middle lane who don't pull over too promptly, as long as there's something in the slow lane they're catching up with to overtake.

Having spent 10 years on a daily 150-mile commute, plus one day a fortnight a 300 mile round trip to Leeds & home, I quickly learned that getting het up didn't achieve anything and by gently pottering along with the flow I arrived in a similar time but much more relaxed.

People who tailgate are perhaps the most irritating and having been a passenger with a few such drivers, with my left foot buried firmly into the carpet, they all appear to be oblivious to either the danger they put themselves and others in, and the sheer nonsense of having to keep braking. Weird really, and just a habit some folks seem to have gotten into.

Few people take a pride in their driving. A bit of courtesy works wonders too.

Me too. I don't really mind slow drivers most of the time, but some of them obviously shouldn't be on the road.

Lack of courtesy/manners/common sense seems to be increasing.

I have ceased to be in a hurry now I'm retired, and I find I don't take that much longer to get there, and certainly arrive a lot less worked up.

About 10 years ago I went down to an Association of Anaesthetists meeting in Brighton (SWMBO accompanied me for the social events). Driving back I couldn't persuade her that we should wait until after 8pm and miss the traffic on the M25, so we got stuck in bumper to bumper/stop go traffic all the way round to the M40. A young lad in the usual Ford Fiesta with big spoiler and go-faster stripes etc came onto the M25 just after I did, passed me, and proceeded to accelerate, tailgate, break hard, multiple lane changes until we got round to the M40, at which time he was a grand total of 4 cars in front of me! Me? I stayed in the middle lane, as it was easier than cope with all the on/off traffic in the nearside, and all the lanes were going at about the same speed anyway. I was bored, but otherwise unflustered. I wonder what he was feeling?

Roll Eyes
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
Lancashire has for too long been ignored.

Well, I was born in London, but raised in Lancashire (Padiham, Nr Burnley). I like to bait Yorkshiremen by telling them that a Yorkshireman are failed Lancastrians, as their ancestors didn't have the gumption to go any further west. Big Grin
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by winkyincanada
quote:
Originally posted by tonym:

Having spent 10 years on a daily 150-mile commute, plus one day a fortnight a 300 mile round trip...



Wow. You must have hated where you worked and/or loved where you lived to put up with that. For many years I have refused to live further from my place of work than I could walk or cycle. This has involved compromise, of course. But I have better things to do with my time than sit in traffic.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by dn1
Of course all bad drivers are other people.... Winker

A good cure for your own poor and thoughtless driving needs a little forward planning.

Step 1: Have a child.
Step 2: Wait 17 years.
Step 3: Teach child to drive.

Bear in mind that insurance for new drivers is ruinously expensive, and will skyrocket further after any convictions or claims. Naturally, you will drum home the need to avoid any possibility of this, which means driving in full compliance with the highway code, and being fully aware of, and considerate to, all other road users.

You will then, if the 17-year-old is remotely intelligent, have to either justify or change your own bad habits. And if your children are like mine, you'll find it easier to change. Big Grin
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
Of course all bad drivers are other people....

Exactly! Razz

Seriously, I don't claim perfection - although I do try to achieve it.

Next personal hate - idiots who use mobiles whilst driving, especially those who text.

Last week I was in Sainsburys car park and a young woman came out, loaded her shopping, set off and promptly started making a phone call as she was driving off. What was so bloody important that she couldn't have made the call before driving off? Personally if my mobile goes off while driving I don't answer it, but find somewhere to safely stop and see what it is, and I would NEVER make a call while driving.

I've noticed on motorways especially that if someone is having trouble keeping in their lane (I always pass idiots like that as soon as possible - sooner have them behind me than in front) when I do go past SWMBO usually promptly informs me that "he/she is on his/her mobile".
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by living in lancs yearning for yorks
quote:
Originally posted by Dr John William Martin:
quote:
Lancashire has for too long been ignored.

Well, I was born in London, but raised in Lancashire (Padiham, Nr Burnley). I like to bait Yorkshiremen by telling them that a Yorkshireman are failed Lancastrians, as their ancestors didn't have the gumption to go any further west. Big Grin


Oi - that's the wrong way round I reckon!
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Paper Plane
Something that always gets me irritated is lorries that "overtake" by going 1mph faster than the lorry they are trying to pass, holding everyone else up in the process.

What's the bl**dy point?

steve
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
I like to bait Yorkshiremen by telling them that a Yorkshireman are failed Lancastrians, as their ancestors didn't have the gumption to go any further west.


Oi - that's the wrong way round I reckon!

I beg to differ. Winker
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
Something that always gets me irritated is lorries that "overtake" by going 1mph faster than the lorry they are trying to pass, holding everyone else up in the process.

What's the bl**dy point?

For my sins neither of our girls live near us. One's in Wimbledon, the other in Cambridge. So about once a fortnight off we set to see one or the other. Well, to be honest it's to see our grandkids. Hence I am very familiar with the A14 (I was already, because they are both alumni of that institution).

If you don't know the A14, there is a reasonably long stretch which, for experimental purposes, has been designated "no lorry overtaking" during most of the day. It's amazing how often a lorry pulls out to pass another as you approach this, and then proceeds to block the overtaking lane for the entire distance of the restricted section!

As to why, I suspect they might be on cruise control and it's part of the slight differences in speed achieved when they "dial in" 60mph or whatever the limit is. Next time I see my brother (who is a lorry driver), I'll ask him.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Mike-B
quote:
Lorries that "overtake" by going 1mph faster than the lorry they are trying to pass,

100%,, its irresponsible AND the drivers know it causes agro, but its more frustration than deliberate

But don't forget HGV's are restricted to 56mph, but the right gear & more HP on hills gives the only real overtaking opportunity.

My other pet rant is the lorry word in UK for all HGV's & trucks
It originates from a railroad & mining word, "lurry" is to pull or tug a rail wheeled material carrier.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by DaveBk
A thread after my own heart...

130 mile a day commute gives me plenty of opportunity to observe driving habbits:

People who pull out in front of me from sideroads then do 20mph below the speed limit.

Looking ahead I see giving way to the oncoming vehicle will prevent a snarl up, then the guy behind me overtakes and f**ks it all up so we all spend 2 minutes reversing and squezing past each other.

Kids in hot hatches overtaking me at 100+ mph on the wrong side of a traffic island.

Some old granny doing 50mph, the wrong way down a dual carrageway - narrowly avoided head on with her.

All of the above with not a sign of a traffic cop, then I get done with 3 points for 82mph on a perfectly straight no junctions dual carrageway by a cop crouching behing a sign with a radar gun!

But them I remember that according to government stats speed is a factor in the majority of road accidents - no f**king brainer, coz if all the cars were stationary there would be no accidents! Lies, more lies and statistics!

rant over.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by u5227470736789439
quote:
Originally posted by winkyincanada:
quote:
Originally posted by tonym:

Having spent 10 years on a daily 150-mile commute, plus one day a fortnight a 300 mile round trip...



Wow. You must have hated where you worked and/or loved where you lived to put up with that. For many years I have refused to live further from my place of work than I could walk or cycle. This has involved compromise, of course. But I have better things to do with my time than sit in traffic.


Winky makes thed best point so far in my view.

And fuel tax, and motoring taxes generally are only going one way now in the UK, and it's not down!

ATB from George
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by winkyincanada
quote:
Originally posted by DaveBk:

130 mile a day commute....


Like I said, wow. Rather you than me.

Everything I love is made worse by cars.
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by Dungassin
Time for another complaint ...

School Runs.

We live in a village with one school for starter to 8, another from there to 11, and a well-regarded comprehensive.

The surrounding villages mostly have there own schools for the under 11s.

So tell me - why do so many mums find it necessary to use their huge mpvs, 4 wheel drives etc to collect their little darlings from these schools, effectively blocking the main street and one of the main side roads. Virtually all of the pupils must live in the village, and I doubt that anywhere in the village is more than 10-15 minutes walk away.

My kids always nearly always walked to school, and both were walking there on their own from 6 years old, as soon as we were happy they knew and understood the "green cross code". After all, there were all the ubiquitous lollipop ladies too.

The only time I ever drive anywhere in the village is if I am transporting something too heavy to carry comfortably, or am just stopping off for a moment on my way somewhere else. (that usually means buying the newspapers on the way out of the village)

And while we're at it ...

Most of the local huge 4 wheel drives seem to be driven by women, a large number of whom (in winter) seem to think that the laws of physics don't apply to them, and also seem incapable of driving on their own side of the road.

It's good to moan ...
Posted on: 07 May 2010 by u5227470736789439
Solution.

Ban cars!

ATB from George