Four Brahms Symphonies.
Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 23 July 2008
Among all the Beethoven and Bach that has come to me in the last couple of months so has some well loved Brahms.
Today a very kind person sent me the Four Symphonies in the American Columbia recording [Columbia Symphony Orchestra] from about 1960 is superb transfers to Sony CDs.
This is a peculiarly circular tale as this is the third time I have had this set, and even twice on CDs!
My LPs, I gave to the library of my junior school when I got the CDs in their first iteration, and then a friend of mine confessed that he could never quite understand Brahms. So I played him the Third Symphony from the CD with Bruno Walter leading. He smiled and said that he had never found Brahms's music sound so inviting! I gave him the "permanent loan" of the Four Symphonies, and he became a Brahms enthusiast and went on to get other performances of the music to stand beside the Walter performances.
Now these return to me, to stand beside recordings from Felix von Weingartner [1938-40, HMV], Otto Klemperer [1957, EMI], Sir Adrian Boult [1954, Pye], Claudio Abbado 1990s, DG], and Sir Charles MacKerras.
Truth to tell I missed these old recordings from Walter in spite of the superb music making to be found in these other sets! Yes, I am very fond of these Symphonies, as the diversity of performances above may show, and yet these Walter performances hold a special place in my heart! An oddity is that I have no free standing single issues in the works. Brahms Cycles are ones that usually work right through!
The point is that I would commend these Walter recordings for anyone wanting to start out on Brahms, and just as much to anyone who thinks they know the music intimately! Walter's wisdom in the music has a very great deal to offer.
The return of these lovely performances to me seems like a sort of poetic kindness. Twice I give them away to people I am very fond of, and now they return as if by a miracle. That seems to show something nice about life, and the best of human nature.
So here is the thought: Would people like to post their favourite Brahms recordings, just for an even greater breadth, of enjoyable top choices.
ATB from George
Posted on: 23 July 2008 by u5227470736789439
And the bonus! The new CD which contains the Fourth Symphony has the most ethereal performance of the Schicksalslied [Song Of Detiny] on it at the end.
I have only heard this once, in a concert I played. A wonderful rarity that should be better known!
I listened to all four Symphonies in a row! That takes some imagining, I know!!
George
Posted on: 25 July 2008 by Gerontius' Dream
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Originally posted by GFFJ:
So here is the thought: Would people like to post their favourite Brahms recordings, just for an even greater breadth, of enjoyable top choices.
ATB from George
Favourite Brahms? That's a lot of music! But as a start:
German Requiem: Klemperer, Fischer-Dieskau, Schwarzkopf; I still have the old Columbia vinyl discs!
Klemperer's symphonies are also very impressive.
Perlman/Giulini: violin concerto;
Suk/Navarra, Double Concerto;
String Sextets: Kocian/Smetana quartet or Amadeus+
Posted on: 25 July 2008 by u5227470736789439
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Originally posted by Amyntas:
Favourite Brahms? That's a lot of music! But as a start:
German Requiem: Klemperer, Fischer-Dieskau, Schwarzkopf; I still have the old Columbia vinyl discs!
Klemperer's symphonies are also very impressive.
Perlman/Giulini: violin concerto;
Suk/Navarra, Double Concerto;
String Sextets: Kocian/Smetana quartet or Amadeus+
Dear Dai,
Lovely things, though I don't have the Perlman performance of the Violin Concerto, or the Sextets on records, but will get the Smetana Quartet recordings one day before too long!
The Suk/Navara performance of the Double Concerto is adorable, isn't it? So natural and unexagerated! Yet so totally captivating. A real case of art concealing art!
ATB from George
Posted on: 25 July 2008 by Todd A
A few months ago I picked up two new Brahms cycles - one from Bruno Walter on Sony, though his earlier, 1950s cycle, and one from Rafael Kubelik on Orfeo. The earlier Walter cycle is quite unlike his later cycle. It's intense, fast, and vibrant as opposed to the generally more relaxed take from his last years. Better yet is Kubelik's cycle. He starts each symphony with the broadest tempi I've heard, yet nothing ever drags. It's quite possibly my favorite cycle. That written, I must have Furtwangler's cycle, and then of course there's Carlos Kleiber's wonderful recording of the 2nd (no, not the 4th), and if I'm in the right mood, one of Celi's cycles.
For other works I'd have to say that the new Emerson recording of the Piano Quintet with Leon Fleisher displaces the Maurizio Pollini cum Italian Quartet recording. For the Violin Concerto I'd say that Vengerov teamed with Barenboim works for me, though I really do need to hear the great Christian Ferras hear. For the Piano Concertos, Pollini teamed with Abbado or Kuerti and Rescigno are my top choices. I really need to do some more listening to and collecting of his chamber works, though . . .
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Posted on: 26 July 2008 by Rubio
I love these four symphonies, and because of that I've ended up with a lot of sets. My favourite cycle is Rudolf Kempe/BPO on Testament. I generally love this conductors broad, lyrical and sweeping style and it works perfectly with Brahms.
The two Bruno Walter cycles I also cherish a lot. His Columbia SO cycle due to his extremely careful phrasing and long lines. The drawback is that there have been more shining orchestras in this repertoire. His NYPO cycle I love due to it's rougher more exciting style. It just works wonders in e.g. the final movement of the 2nd symphony.
I would also add Furtwangler to my absolute favourites, but then I would have to pick performances from different cycles, and I prefer his 50's works.
Other cycles I have are Jochum/LPO, Jochum/BPO, Jansons/Oslo PO, Sanderling/Staatskapelle Dresden, Klemperer/Philharmonia, Giulini/WP, Böhm/WP and Weingartner/LSO. Most of this cycles has somethings of their own to add to the complete picture. Normally I prefer Central European orchestras with a slightly bottom-heavy side in this lovely music, but the conductor is a very important factor shown in Walter's case.
Posted on: 26 July 2008 by u5227470736789439
Dear Rubio,
I used to have that particular Kempe set on Testament CDs. Once again I gave them to a friend who loved Brahms and yet [inexplicably] had not one recording of a Brahms symphopny in a quite large collection of records.
She was delighted by them as was I! She is a retired music teacher now!
ATB from George
Posted on: 26 July 2008 by Tam
I have the Walter 1950s cycle with the NYPO, recently reissued on United Archives and agree that it's wonderful, mainly for its lyrical qualities.
Furtwangler is excellent, though assembling a cycle can be tricky. I have a mish-mash of live issues - including a stunning Berlin first - the sheer drama he eeks out of a slowly taken opening is superb. Someone recently, and very kindly, gave me a box on EMI of various recordings making up a cycle, but I didn't find it quite so fine as those I've assembled.
Giulini's Brahms is rather special. If, that is, you can get hold of it. Easily obtained is a thrilling live first with the Philharmonia (coupled with a very nice Mozart's 36th symphony) on BBC legends. Some of the VPO cycle is currently available but 2 and 3 are presently deleted (and 3 goes for £70 or so on the Amazon market place). Arkiv Music do issue them more cheaply (but you'll need to ship them from the states). However, I think his 1960s Philharmonia days were better for Brahms. A set containing the piano concertos with Arrau as the soloist has just been issued, and is wonderful. However, the symphonies are impossible to track down, though I did manage to pick up the third from Japan. There's also a good 4th from Chicago.
Jochum is another favourite of mine in Brahms. Both the LPO and BPO cycles are excellent. Berlin is slightly cheaper and fitted on two discs (I think through lack of repeats). The first and fourth are better in this cycle, so long as you don't mind mono, and he gives a wonderfully Brucknerian feel to the close of the first.
I suspect, though, that it is Charles Mackerras I would take to my desert island, though it's very close run in some works. His performances are interesting for using a smaller orchestra, the Scottish Chamber Orchestra, who can turn on a dime when playing for him. There is a wonderful energy and drama to them. There is also the concert broadcast of the best concert I never went to (deciding to arrive in Edinburgh the day after the second of the two concerts) where they did the four symphonies and two piano concertos (with Zacharias). However, I would love Mackerras on disc with a larger orchestra too. He did a cycle in concert with the Philharmonia a couple of years ago. What a crying shame nobody had the good sense to tape it for commercial release (and what a shame the Philharmonia's live label hadn't got going just yet).
Lastly, there is my favourite performance of the piano concertos from Fleisher/Szell and the Cleveland orchestra. Well, the first concerto at least (I think Arrau/Giulini may have stolen my affections in the second). But here are two artists who made an excellent pairing (as also evidenced by their efforts with Beethoven and Mozart).
regards, Tam
p.s. Have bumped the classical threads worth reading as there are some interesting Brahms links therein.