Sound quality from PS3
Posted by: ryan_d on 14 January 2008
I've just ordered myself a PS3 and was considering using this as my standalone dvd player, but have now read that it only outputs pcm/bitrate sound.
My query is, how good is this in comparison to the normal dvd sound formats i.e Dolby Digital or DTS. I'm obviously aware that it won't be as good as the HD audio formats, but was considering getting rid of my dvd player.
My home cinema amp can decode all of the non HD audio formats, so was wondering what was best.
Ryan
My query is, how good is this in comparison to the normal dvd sound formats i.e Dolby Digital or DTS. I'm obviously aware that it won't be as good as the HD audio formats, but was considering getting rid of my dvd player.
My home cinema amp can decode all of the non HD audio formats, so was wondering what was best.
Ryan
Posted on: 14 January 2008 by ryan_d
Just in case I didn't make it clear, the PS3 will be hooked up to my home cinema amp via optical cable.
Ryan
Ryan
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by Adrian F.
Hi Ryan
The PS3 over the optical output acts like any other dvd player with dolby digital and dts sound. No restrictions here.
The only reason not to use it as a dvd player replacement is the relative power hunger and the noise (compared to a normal dvd player).
Because your homecinema amp is not able to decode the new HD audio formats, there is nothing you will be missing.
What you've probably read is, that it can not give the HD audio formats out over HDMI and let the homecinema amp decode it.
The HD audio is decoded and converted inside the PS3 to multichannel linear PCM, and that goes out over HDMI (no analogue multichannel outputs on the PS3). This should be without quality loss, since LPCM is uncompressed.
When your amp/decoder has no HDMI (only optical or coax), it will have to convert it down to standard DD or DTS. Then you will have a loss.
This is quite common amongst the HD players available. Homecinema amps with HD audio decoding capability are still brand new. There is a FirmWare update for the PS 3 announced, which will enable that. But then you will need a new amp/decoder.
You may want to take a look in my explanation of HD audio transport here too:
http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7801938...362931217#7362931217
happy listening
Adrian
P.S. Don't forget to order the separate DVD remote control! I don't like to use the game-pad for that. It's over BlueTooth (not infra red) you can't use a programmable/learning RC at the moment.
The PS3 over the optical output acts like any other dvd player with dolby digital and dts sound. No restrictions here.
The only reason not to use it as a dvd player replacement is the relative power hunger and the noise (compared to a normal dvd player).
Because your homecinema amp is not able to decode the new HD audio formats, there is nothing you will be missing.
What you've probably read is, that it can not give the HD audio formats out over HDMI and let the homecinema amp decode it.
The HD audio is decoded and converted inside the PS3 to multichannel linear PCM, and that goes out over HDMI (no analogue multichannel outputs on the PS3). This should be without quality loss, since LPCM is uncompressed.
When your amp/decoder has no HDMI (only optical or coax), it will have to convert it down to standard DD or DTS. Then you will have a loss.
This is quite common amongst the HD players available. Homecinema amps with HD audio decoding capability are still brand new. There is a FirmWare update for the PS 3 announced, which will enable that. But then you will need a new amp/decoder.
You may want to take a look in my explanation of HD audio transport here too:
http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7801938...362931217#7362931217
happy listening
Adrian
P.S. Don't forget to order the separate DVD remote control! I don't like to use the game-pad for that. It's over BlueTooth (not infra red) you can't use a programmable/learning RC at the moment.
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by ryan_d
Adrian,
many thanks for a concise and understandable explanation. That kinda seals it for me.....i can get rid of my dvd player. The noise I haven't (used a friends ps3) to be that bad. Certainly nowhere in the league of the xbox which is incredibly noisy.
Again my thanks.
Ryan
many thanks for a concise and understandable explanation. That kinda seals it for me.....i can get rid of my dvd player. The noise I haven't (used a friends ps3) to be that bad. Certainly nowhere in the league of the xbox which is incredibly noisy.
Again my thanks.
Ryan
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by ryan_d
sorry missing word- noise not been found to be that bad
Ryan
Ryan
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by Adrian F.
You're welcome.
About noise... That's why I wrote (compared to a normal dvd player). Compared to other game consoles it's almost quiet
The actual 40GB version should be somewhat better with power consumption and noise, but has lost the flash-multicard-reader, 2 USB ports and the PS2 backward compatibility.
There is no multiregion hack for DVD and/or BD (yet).
Adrian
About noise... That's why I wrote (compared to a normal dvd player). Compared to other game consoles it's almost quiet
The actual 40GB version should be somewhat better with power consumption and noise, but has lost the flash-multicard-reader, 2 USB ports and the PS2 backward compatibility.
There is no multiregion hack for DVD and/or BD (yet).
Adrian
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by Adrian F.
Munch
I don't know about multiregion solutions for any of the PS3 variants... That's why I kept my old dvd player.
I have the first european 60GB model.
Adrian
I don't know about multiregion solutions for any of the PS3 variants... That's why I kept my old dvd player.
I have the first european 60GB model.
Adrian
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by ryan_d
I don't own any ps2 games and all my dvds are region 1 (europe, if i haven't got the region correct.) so its not a problem for me.
As you say blu-ray discs are all over the place as far as region coding goes and thats outwith the control of the hardware manufacturers.
Ryan
As you say blu-ray discs are all over the place as far as region coding goes and thats outwith the control of the hardware manufacturers.
Ryan
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by Tuan
I notice that with blueray discs, the sound is way better than that produced from the standard DVD of the same film. My Sony flat panel has audio out (I use the TV pre-amp section) and I connect directly to my Bryston 4B-SST to drive my Wilson Benesch Discovery speakers. The 2 channel sound from this set-up is a lot better than the surround sound from the commercial cinema theaters (including the sound of the IMAX room). The Discovery speakers with their isobaric bass design give plenty of clean bass when being driven by the Bryston 4B-SST amplifier.
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by {OdS}
quote:Originally posted by ryan_d:
my dvds are region 1 (europe, if i haven't got the region correct.)
Ryan
Actually, zone 1 is for North America:
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by ryan_d
Ok my dvds are region 2
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by {OdS}
obviously
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by Adrian F.
And to make it even more complicated
BluRay disks have an A-B-C region system. But it is not mandatory to lock it, only an option...
map with bluray regions
See the explanation and disk list here:
locked/unlocked BD media list
BluRay disks have an A-B-C region system. But it is not mandatory to lock it, only an option...
map with bluray regions
See the explanation and disk list here:
locked/unlocked BD media list
Posted on: 15 January 2008 by ryan_d
The sooner the whole debacle of format type and region coding gets sorted out the better for all.
At least it looks like the format war may be over soon......but this might change again in the next 5 mins.
Ryan
At least it looks like the format war may be over soon......but this might change again in the next 5 mins.
Ryan
Posted on: 25 January 2008 by Alan Paterson
A bit off topic but has anyone tried playing online with their ps3? I am hoping to get one in the next couple of months.
Posted on: 01 February 2008 by Alan Paterson
Just got my ps3 today.
What do members think of this to connect to my progressive scan crt tv? It is a panasonic 32pd30 with component in and i use a yamaha surround amp?
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=4202
Would this be the best possible conection? Can' afford a new tv for a while.
What do members think of this to connect to my progressive scan crt tv? It is a panasonic 32pd30 with component in and i use a yamaha surround amp?
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=4202
Would this be the best possible conection? Can' afford a new tv for a while.
Posted on: 01 February 2008 by neil w
alan
ps3 online is way behind x box live . you will need a bluetooth headset
neil
ps3 online is way behind x box live . you will need a bluetooth headset
neil
Posted on: 03 February 2008 by djftw
Just a little tip. Check the firmware updates for the PS3 when you get it, a friend of mine got one a little while ago, and DVD and BlueRay initially looked terrible. However, after we managed to get the thing connected to the internet and spent about 3 hours downloading and installing various updates it was fantastic. Was like the difference between a £20 supermarket special and a £200 stand alone player, really drastic!
Also, if you're using it online, hardwire it if you can, the wireless card doesn't seem to be up to all that much!
Also, if you're using it online, hardwire it if you can, the wireless card doesn't seem to be up to all that much!