Those Din Interconnects
Posted by: RogerH on 28 October 2003
Overall I'm very happy with my CD5/NAC/NAP150 set up. These replaced my aging Arcams but I couldn't avoid being a might disappointed with that Din interconnect, not because its Din or that it reminded me of those feeble little wires that I used to put together my old Garrard record and Amstrad Amp (yes I am that old)!
I used an Audioquest cable with my Arcam stuff and it weighed as much as the CD player (only a very slight exageration here).
Am I supposed to go out and buy a copy of 'What Interconnect' (I'm sure there is such a publication) with a view to buying a better Interconnect than the one that was supplied with the CD5? .... or is there something very special within that flimsy cable?
I used an Audioquest cable with my Arcam stuff and it weighed as much as the CD player (only a very slight exageration here).
Am I supposed to go out and buy a copy of 'What Interconnect' (I'm sure there is such a publication) with a view to buying a better Interconnect than the one that was supplied with the CD5? .... or is there something very special within that flimsy cable?
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by andy c
Hi,
Live with the kit a while until it's run in... then faff with cables if you must, but don't do anything until about 2-3 months have passed because the Naim kit is still running in...
Live with the kit a while until it's run in... then faff with cables if you must, but don't do anything until about 2-3 months have passed because the Naim kit is still running in...
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by Geoff P
Ahh yes. Value for money and garaunteed best quality sound out of your system
I hope you have also thrown away the rope that was used to connect your speakers and replaced it with at least 3.5 meters of Naim NACA5 speaker cable per speaker which is single wired, not bi-wired.
I am not joking!!
Naim has done all the hard work for us by testing and establishing the right inetrconnects and speaker cable including recommended minimum length to get the best from Naim systems. This forum is filled with numerous earlier postings discussing the merits of other types of interconnect but again and again it is confirmed that there are no better solutions than these for Naim to give of it's best.
Bigger and more expensive is definitely better in this case.
Happy listening and welcome to a club of HiFi nuts
regards
GEOFFP
I hope you have also thrown away the rope that was used to connect your speakers and replaced it with at least 3.5 meters of Naim NACA5 speaker cable per speaker which is single wired, not bi-wired.
I am not joking!!
Naim has done all the hard work for us by testing and establishing the right inetrconnects and speaker cable including recommended minimum length to get the best from Naim systems. This forum is filled with numerous earlier postings discussing the merits of other types of interconnect but again and again it is confirmed that there are no better solutions than these for Naim to give of it's best.
Bigger and more expensive is definitely better in this case.
Happy listening and welcome to a club of HiFi nuts
regards
GEOFFP
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by woody
Shouldn't that say "Bigger and more expensive is definitely not better in this case."
-- woody
-- woody
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by Geoff P
quote:
Bigger and more expensive is definitely better in this case.
OOPS! I meant
"Bigger and more expensive is defintely NOT better in this case.
sorry
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by Geoff P
Christ woody your too quick for me!
If you look at the posting time you beat my correction by a few seconds.
regards
GEOFF
If you look at the posting time you beat my correction by a few seconds.
regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by woody
-- woody
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by David Robert Bell
Hi Roger,
The NACA5 design is an extension of the power amp itself and recommended . It's cheap and difficult to work with but bloody good value.
Dave
The NACA5 design is an extension of the power amp itself and recommended . It's cheap and difficult to work with but bloody good value.
Dave
Posted on: 28 October 2003 by joe90
The DIN interconnect approaches the concept of signal transfer from the opposite direction to RCAs. The RCA (This is how I understand it) has two earth pins and therefore two ground point refernces. A DIN connection has only ONE. Therefore the signal is easier to isolate and earth within the electronics. Because of the two earth points from there is more noise in the signal and I think Naim feel that no metter how good the cable is, the problems is still unacceptable.
I heard a story once that a racing car goes faster when you shed 100kg of weight than when you add 100 hp. Tha Naim interconnect thing is kind of similar to me. Less noise equals more signal.
Interesting to note that Naim isn't the only wierdo interconnect bunch. Krell uses the CAST system that apparently doesn't much in the way of cable either.
Naim know what they're doing and I have tried RCA vs DIN on the CDX2 and the DIN was a lot better even up against a real expensive interconnect (Nordost Blue Heaven).
Stick with the DIN.
Joe90
I heard a story once that a racing car goes faster when you shed 100kg of weight than when you add 100 hp. Tha Naim interconnect thing is kind of similar to me. Less noise equals more signal.
Interesting to note that Naim isn't the only wierdo interconnect bunch. Krell uses the CAST system that apparently doesn't much in the way of cable either.
Naim know what they're doing and I have tried RCA vs DIN on the CDX2 and the DIN was a lot better even up against a real expensive interconnect (Nordost Blue Heaven).
Stick with the DIN.
Joe90
Posted on: 29 October 2003 by Frank Abela
Roger
The standard DIN interconnect supplied with Naim equipment is a very well judged cable for the system. Naim have not given you any old ordinary interconnect, but the interconnect that they feel works best in the context of their system. This is also true for Naim NACA5 speaker cable, although that's not free!
Now if there are aspects of the sound that you wish improved, then your local Naim dealer should be able to make suggestions to you that will alter the sound. Note that I say 'alter'. In our case, we think the Chord Anthem din-din is a very good alternative. I know Naim employees who have heard it, but they always go back to the stock item because they prefer that presentation.
So bear in mind that if you do change the interconnect you will get a different presentation rather than a necessarily better one. Also, please give your system at least a month of heavy use to run in before you start changing interconnects. The sound rounds out and enriches as the running in process progresses.
Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.
The standard DIN interconnect supplied with Naim equipment is a very well judged cable for the system. Naim have not given you any old ordinary interconnect, but the interconnect that they feel works best in the context of their system. This is also true for Naim NACA5 speaker cable, although that's not free!
Now if there are aspects of the sound that you wish improved, then your local Naim dealer should be able to make suggestions to you that will alter the sound. Note that I say 'alter'. In our case, we think the Chord Anthem din-din is a very good alternative. I know Naim employees who have heard it, but they always go back to the stock item because they prefer that presentation.
So bear in mind that if you do change the interconnect you will get a different presentation rather than a necessarily better one. Also, please give your system at least a month of heavy use to run in before you start changing interconnects. The sound rounds out and enriches as the running in process progresses.
Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.
Posted on: 29 October 2003 by prowla
In common with the above, the perceived wisdom is that the Naim interconnects are just fine.
(However, Naim themselves have recently updated their cables, from grey to black, so it is possible to improve.)
Paul Rowlands
(However, Naim themselves have recently updated their cables, from grey to black, so it is possible to improve.)
Paul Rowlands
Posted on: 29 October 2003 by Richard Dane
quote:
Originally posted by prowla:
In common with the above, the perceived wisdom is that the Naim interconnects are just fine.
(However, Naim themselves have recently updated their cables, from grey to black, so it is possible to improve.)
Paul Rowlands
Only SNAICs and Burndys are now Black, the Interconnects are still grey or lilac/grey in colour.
Richard
Posted on: 29 October 2003 by prowla
Scuse my ignorance, but what's an interconnect that isn't a SNAIC?
Paul Rowlands
Paul Rowlands
Posted on: 29 October 2003 by syd
Also the SNAICS carry signal and power while interconnects just carry the signal. I wish NAIM would come up with a good acronym for the interconnects to stop this confusion which comes up a lot on the forum.
Yours in Music
Syd
Yours in Music
Syd
Posted on: 30 October 2003 by David Stewart
How's about a nice juicy STAIC - Source To Amp Interconnect Cable.
David
David
Posted on: 31 October 2003 by RogerH
Only just got round to reading all your contributions .... too busy running my system in!
Thanks for all the comments and PR, don't be surprised that I want to replace my interconnect ... I don't. Your advice is what I wanted to hear. I just can't get my head around why people will spend £100s on a big thing cable. I'll happily live with mine, especially now that I can think of it as a juicy 'STAIC!'
As for the speaker cable ... I finally found a use for my daughter's hair drier!
Thanks for all the comments and PR, don't be surprised that I want to replace my interconnect ... I don't. Your advice is what I wanted to hear. I just can't get my head around why people will spend £100s on a big thing cable. I'll happily live with mine, especially now that I can think of it as a juicy 'STAIC!'
As for the speaker cable ... I finally found a use for my daughter's hair drier!