Olivier Messiaen: Des canyons aux étoiles

Posted by: Tam on 09 September 2006

One of the absolute highlights of the Edinburgh festival was a wonderful performance of this work, From the Canyons to the Stars, to give it its English name. And to quote from my festival thread:

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However the star of the evening was NOT Mackerras. The middle concert (and, of which more later, in a poor piece of programming) was Messiaen's Des Canyons aux Etoiles (From the Canyons to the Stars). And how utterly extraordinary it was too. The Netherlands Youth Orchestra were conducted by Reinbert de Leeuw with Benjamin Kobler on the piano and William Pervis on the horn.

The work paints a portrait of various American national parks (and the wildlife, especially the birdlife within), expecially the canyons and the stars above. It also has a strong spiritual dimension (like much of his writing). It's really difficult to describe it without reciting the programme note in full (which I'm not about to do). However, it was a profound experience and one of the finest things I've heard this year (I may start a thread on it soon, in order to ask for help picking out a recording).

The playing was wonderful (and I was very glad I've recently been exploring his catalogue of bird music for solo piano). There is a slow movement for solo horn, meant to represent outer space (titled 'interstellar call'). The way he mixes the brilliance and beauty with the emptyness is staggering and, to my ears, puts Holst's attempts to show this into the shade.

There is some wonderfully clever orchestration (indeed, the strings are very sparse and percussion in some regards steals the show) - some of the wind effects were extraordinary. However, unlike the Strauss from the Budapest orchestra the other evening (where you felt it was very nearly scored for everything up to and including kitchen sink), here there was a clarity to the writing - he blended his instruments masterfully and it never felt like too much.

At an hour and a half it's long (and too much for some, who left), but most seemed to know what they were letting themselves in for and were as impressed as we were (not least by the wonderful playing of the young musicians).

However, it's the kind of work where at the end you almost feel you never want to hear another note of anything, and certainly not the Bruckner 7 due to start in half an hour. In this regard it was poor programming and not really suitable to fill the space between Beethoven and Bruckner - would that it had been given an evening to itself.



However, reading back over that, I'm not sure the extent to which I have done it justice. It seems to blend so many of Messiaen's strands so seemlessly - the prominent use of the solo piano to pay his beloved bird music, for instance.

Like much of his work it is also a profoundly spiritual/religious experience as he moves towards describing paridise on earth at the close. Yet, blended with that he manages a dig at his agent who was reluctant to pay for a trip to Hawaii!

Anyway, I was hoping for once to turn the tables and ask if anyone here knows of a good recording. Fortunately, there seem to be several.

My local cd shop had picked this effort to display
and the penguin guide gives it 'key' status (though that might carry a little more weight if they reviewed any other recordings). Indeed, I had thougth this might be the only one, but a seach of Amazon shows there are several.

I find this more than a little tempting as the conductor is Reinbert de Leeuw who conducted the performance I heard. However, I know nothing about the Asko and Schoenberg Ensembles who are playing it.

Then there is this budget price effort on Warner's Apex label.

Lastly there is this which has the virtue of Paul Crossley who is rather fine pianist in this sort of repertiore.


Anything anyone knows about any of these readings (or others I have missed) would be greatly appreciated.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 09 September 2006 by jcs_smith
I have the Paul Crossley one and it seems pretty good to me. I haven't heard any other versions but I've always been a bit lairy of getting loads of different versions of the same piece of classical or neo-classical music. I mean how different can they be? Isn't it just a marketing con to sell you the same piece of music multiple times because none of these people are bringing out new stuff for you to buy?
Posted on: 09 September 2006 by Tam
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Originally posted by jcs_smith:
I haven't heard any other versions but I've always been a bit lairy of getting loads of different versions of the same piece of classical or neo-classical music.


I don't know about more modern stuff (because I tend to have only one recording of those sorts of things - often, say in the case of the Ades piano quintet, because there is only one) but in terms of older classical or romantic music absolutely not.

Take, for example, Mackerras and Davis in the Beethoven symphonies: two wonderful cycles but very different. Or take the Bernstein Sibelius I was discussing recently (very unlike most other recordings you'll hear).

A different conductor/soloist/orchestra can give a wildly different account of the same piece - after all, most works have enough meaning in them that different interpreters will draw out different things.


regards, Tam

p.s. thanks for the Crossley recommendation.
Posted on: 09 September 2006 by Wolf
Boulez does great work with Messian (since he was his student and his works stem from that source) tho I don't know if he has a recording of this one. I heard it at the Ojai festival about 4 years ago. It was the only piece at the evening show. It was wonderful, tho I've only heard a few of his pieces I knew what I was getting into.

I had a tough time concentrating on the details and the over all picture it was so complex. There were beautiful moments, with out a doubt. And several orgasmic climaxes where everything came together and soared into spiritual heights then dissolved into twitterings and general abstract musings. I am so glad Essa-peka Salonen did it with the LA Phil at night under the stars which Ojai is know for. But it was a lot to sit thru as it was one long song.

I prefer Salonen's own works as they don't stress me out with so much complexity. His sound scapes are really quite varied and short if you don't care for one. I also like Adams' Naive and Sentimental Music, as I've stated before, if you like the agressive dynamics of something like the Rite of Spring.

Tam, Glad yu got to hear a live performance of it, I bet it's way better than a recording.
Posted on: 11 September 2006 by David Sutton
Interesting thread Tam. I started listening to Messiaen's organ music a while ago and find it very relaxing and thought provoking. So moving on to orchestral music will an interetsing journey.

David
Posted on: 12 September 2006 by Tam
Dear David,

I started off with the organ work too. About 3 years ago I was at a wonderful late night performance of one of his works (La nativite du Seigneur) given by Thomas Trotter which just swept me away. Before that I'd only heard the Turangalila symphony, which I'd never really got on with all that well. I bought Jennifer Bate's wonderful (and wonderfully cheap - about 25 pounds for the six disc set) cycle and have enjoyed it very much.

Recently, prompted by a radio relay of an Aldeburgh concert, I moved onto the piano music (and Peter Hill's set, on the same label, at the same kind of budget price as Bate's organ work), and have been enjoying the bird catalogue very much indeed (I think in many ways it's the logical step if you're coming from the organ works).

However, what is remarkable about this is it seems to blend so many of his styles - as I think I mentioned above. (I've also got his only opera sitting on my to be listened to shefl - after hearing tales of an extraordinary Edinburgh festival performance that I wasn't able to attend).



Dear Glenn,

That sounds like a really fascinating way to hear it.


On the initial point of this thread, I think I may go for the Leeuw, if only because he gave such a convincing performance. That said, if it comes across well on disc, I shouldn't think it will be my only recording.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 13 September 2006 by David Sutton
Thanks Tam,

I heard Triptyche when on holiday in France a couple of years ago, and bought Ms Bates recording. I am now ready to embark on further journeys into this composer and yourn info has been most interesting thanks.

David
Posted on: 23 October 2006 by David Sutton
Took my boys into Virgin in Abu Dhabi today, so they could spend their savings on music and PSP nonsense. I happened to look at the classical section that usually only has Mozart's Greatest Hits and the like. There amongst the compilations was Messiaen's La Transfiguration de Notre Seigneur Jesus Christ on Montaigne with Reinbert de Leeuw. I snapped it up and will report shortly.