nac82 or 52??

This enabled me to upgrade to a 52.

This is not meant to sound arrogant; but the 52 is much better value than an 82. It portrays music in a much more believable natural, relaxing fashion, with a shed load of information.

Somebody once (kindly) described the 82 as having a 'youthful exuberance'.

That ain't far out if you want to be polite.

The price of a 52 includes a Burndy interconnect.

Current UK retail is £3,685. No idea what that is in Flanian pobble beads, Triganic Pus or Euros.

It's only money!

52 is substantially better then 82/Supercap, and worth the extra money.

I suspect the reason people are suggesting the 82 is that it is cheaper and more flexible in terms of its ability to use various power supplies. Since you have a Supercap this is moot, and I'd suggest you move directly to the 52.

Cheers,

Bob

I have a 1 year old Nac102; perhaps i could change it for a s/h Nac52 (by adding money of course!!!)

Charles

Paul

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The 52 is definitely worth it IMO

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Charles

Pourtant, les CDs ne passent pas tres bien sur une platine analogue, et les disques analogues ne sont pas toujours facilement disponibles... ;

CDS2/52/250 - pose sur Quadraspire Reference/ enceintes de choix entre 1500 et 3000 €

It's always a nice day for it Have a good one!
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on SUNDAY 06 January 2002 at 04:53.]

The 72 is by far the best value for money.

I'm not entirely sure the 82 is musically better although it very obviously does the better hi-fi thing, make no mistake.

The 52 is much better and is genuinely astonishing in its ability to communicate musical emotion at times. However, to justify this sort of outlay, I'd have to be listening to music for a big chunk of each day, and not just as background music either - I mean sitting down, taking notice, focussed sort of listening. If you do a lot of this, then I'd get the 52.

Of course there is a less painful upgrade path via 82/super.

Steve

The 52 is an entirely different kettle of fish - absurdly high price, absurdly high value.

Phil

But, to even the score a bit, what about a prefix/hicap-->72(boards pulled)/hicap vs. an 82 with one hicap and internal phono? The 82 option is still more expensive by nearly 50%, but it has remote control. How would these compare for phono and for cd?

--Eric

Tried that very combo--the Prefix/Hicap/72/Hicap destroyed the 82/Hicap/internal phono boards. It is what I use today.

Cheers,

Bob

The prefix (new) + hi + 72 + hi = is under $3K

I meant that for me, a Prefix/Hicap into a 72/Hicap is convincingly better than running an 82/Hicap with internal phono boards. There was really no comparison--the Prefix really is that much of an upgrade. 72/Hicap vs 82/Hicap is no contest--82 wins by a fair margin.

Cheers,

Bob

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Yes pretty much it is. But it is the very proximal location to the spring that guarantees its freshness and purity . For pretty much the same reason that Guinness is far better served in Dublin than in Iraq-It loses a great deal in transit, and then the final destination can be quite hostile an environment within which to savour it. A pre-amp located 1.5 metres away from a microvolt source is far from the optimal location for phono boards, especially after the puny signal has to cross electromechanical junctions such as RCA plugs/sockets. This signal is far better quaffed at a point much closer to where it was generated.

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo

[This message was edited by Ron Toolsie on MONDAY 07 January 2002 at 20:29.]

Baby english, please?

/Erik

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Guinness is far better served in Dublin than in Iraq - It loses a great deal in transit

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Myth Alert! How often have I heard that ... particularly in London, where "transit" usually means roughly 6 miles from the East London Guinness brewery (granted, in Dublin it's about 2 miles from Temple Bar). I think there are a couple of dozen Guinness breweries around the world, including Africa! (And I wouldn't be surprised if there was one near Iraq.)

IMO, differences in taste will be caused by other things.

Thomas

Thomas

Je conviens avec Ugo que les enceintes Naim ne sont peut-être pas faites pour le climat continental latin. Je ne sais pas si cela a à voir avec la pression de l'air de nos pays, mais je n'ai jamais entendu sonner des enceintes Naim (ou Linn, par ailleurs) convenablemant (elles sont peut-être trop 'difficiles', mais je trouve qu'avec quelques 15.000 EUR de matériel -100% Linn et Naim- derrière, elles n'ont plus le droit de l'être!).

Personnellement, je suis vendu pour la combinaison Linn/Naim/Sonus Faber. Je l'ai déjà entendu à plusieurs niveaux et c'est chaque fois magique (je possède actuellement Sondek LP12-Lingo-Circus-Klyde + Linn Ikemi + Naim NAT01 / Naim 102-Hicap-180 / SF Electa II). J'ai été heureux de décourvir sur ce forum d'autres partisans ampli Naim / enceintes Sonus Faber.

Ugo,

Tu auras entendu, comme moi, qu'il n'y a plus que trois dealers Naim dans nos contrées (Ghijsens à Hasselt, Hifi Corner à Anvers et Pink Noise à BXL). La conséquence magnifiquement scandaleuse est qu'il n'y a plus personne qui stocke à la fois Linn et Naim, à ma connaissance.

Je déduis de ton profile que tu es Linnomane, et de ta présence sur ce forum que tu es Naimophile.

Je veux reconnaître à Ghijsens (qui m'a vendu mon premier appareil Naim, un Nait) qu'il a le mérite inoubliable d'avoir "inventé" la Naimophilie en Belgique. Mais, jusqu'en 2000, le meilleur revendeur Naim (et Linn! - le seul qui à mon avis savait convenablement faire la maintenance d'un LP12) était à mon avis Michel Campus de Stereotypes, à qui on a retiré la licence Naim, sous prétexte qu'on ne voulait plus qu'un seul revendeur par "ville" (whatever that means in Belgium). Je ne sais pas qui es ton dealer Linn, mais si tu veux te joindre à moi pour encourager Naim de remettre Stereotypes dans le circuit Naim, fais-moi signe (leermakers@debacker.com).

Une (très vexante) autre explication pourrait être que Naim considère Linn comme son concurrent le plus direct, et ne voudrait plus d'associer aux mêmes distributeurs. Aussi longtemps que les commandes à distance Linn et Naim fonctionneront invariablement sur les deux marques, je refuse de croire à cette théorie. Si elle s'avérait vraie, ce serait quand même la fin de la philosophie Naim telle que Julian V. l'avait imaginée, as far as I know, or want to believe.

- GregB
Recently back from his UK tour

I think I got the gist...

It's always a nice day for it Have a good one!
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on TUESDAY 08 January 2002 at 03:26.]

Agreed -- since Guiness is pasteurised its very unlikely that its affected by travelling.

My experience is that there is now plenty of very, very good Guiness in London. It does always seem nicer in Dublin though but I bet I'd struggle with a blind test.

>> I think there are a couple of dozen Guinness breweries around the world, including Africa!
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Little known fact: In Nigeria it is illegal to make beer out of barley so they have to make Guinness with Sorghum instead. I think this is similar to the beer purity law they have in Germany.

Matthew

2. The quality of Guinness in any pub is directly related to the quantity imbibed in that establishment.Each keg has a finite life span. These places will usually take care with storage, pipes etc. I have found that the great advantage of this is that one can single handedly up the quality in your local by drinking more of the stuff. This likely explains Matthew's good experiences in London.:)

The live brew in a bottle is quite different from draught and is a delightful tipple in itself.

John. i

Thomas