Tord Gustavsen/Stanko/EST
Posted by: Diccus62 on 23 November 2009
Nic Naim and my own will have helped to move me out of my musical comfort zone. I have long thought Jazz held something for me. I have tried many of the old jazz guys and think they are fine but it doesn't really get me. However I really enjoyed Tomasz Stanko and I think I am now hooked. E.S.T. however have hit me between the eyes and I can't stop playing them.... particularly 'behind the yashmak' which absolutely blows me away. Live - OMG
Have been listening to Tord Gustavsen on Myspace and I like what i hear. I have tho clearly missed the tour this autumn. Where should I start with this guy?
It's nice to be out of my comfort zone - thanks Nic
Have been listening to Tord Gustavsen on Myspace and I like what i hear. I have tho clearly missed the tour this autumn. Where should I start with this guy?
It's nice to be out of my comfort zone - thanks Nic

Posted on: 25 November 2009 by Diccus62
quote:Originally posted by Gary Shaw:
Hi Diccus,
You might find a link between the way Esbjörn Svensson played piano and some of Chick Corea's work.
Spotify have his Children's Songs (though they're not really). They're all lovely but if you try just one....go for number 4... or number 6...or...
Cheers Gary
Posted on: 25 November 2009 by hungryhalibut
One piano trio CD I bought recently is 'The end of a summer' by the Julia Hulsmann Trio. It really is excellent, a bit like Tord Gustavsen.
Nigel
Nigel
Posted on: 25 November 2009 by bdnyc
Hi Lontano-
Thanks, I'll add the EST CD's to my ever growing list of music to get....
Bruce
Thanks, I'll add the EST CD's to my ever growing list of music to get....
Bruce
Posted on: 26 November 2009 by fama

Posted on: 26 November 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by Lontano:
70's albums well worth checking out - Keith Jarrett's European Quartet - has Garbarek on it - very melodic stuff.
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Two of the greatest albums ever by anyone.
Even better in some ways is the live Personal Mountains, if for nothing else the epic title track, not heard on any other album. Plus, the best versions of the sublime Innocence and Prism.

One more of Jarrett's many masterpieces, is his first solo album, Facing You, one of the few solo albums not recorded live, and one of his very best, all the more so because it's his first.

I'd agree with just about every recommendation here, but especially Garbarek's I Took Up the Runes.
Another top-of-the-pantheon ECM classic is Kenny Wheeler's Gnu High, with Jarrett, Holland, and DeJohnette. Wonderful writing by Wheeler, and a loose, joyful and profound spontaneous performance, Jarrett in particular.

Composer/Guitarist/pianist Ralph Towner's masterpiece, Solstice, is not to be missed. An iconic album, with Jan Garbarek, Eberhard Weber, and Jon Christensen.

One more of the very best, and sadly not mentioned by many, is Art Lande's Rubisa Patrol, with Mark Isham, Bill Douglass, and Glen Cronkhite.

Enjoy,
Fred
Posted on: 28 November 2009 by Lontano
Diccus - any updates? Anything that has grabbed/not grabbed you to report?
Posted on: 29 November 2009 by Diccus62
No updates yet have been suffering from a ECM (Excruciating Cranial Migraine)overload this weekend but have got all the recommendations marked.....will feed back soon...thanks again 

Posted on: 30 November 2009 by HansW
I also like EST a lot. I saw them live a few years ago in Stockholm, it was a real treat. Their double-live CD released last year is perhaps their best.
A Naim CD in the same category that I keep returning to is Unions first release.
Hans
A Naim CD in the same category that I keep returning to is Unions first release.
Hans
Posted on: 01 December 2009 by Diccus62
quote:Originally posted by droodzilla:
I might as well put in a word for this, while we're on the subject of European jazz:![]()
Benedikt Jahnel Trio - Modular Concepts
Very accessible but wonderful piano trio music, clearly influenced by the minimalism of Steve Reich & co.
I'm sure Adrian would second this recommendation![]()
I like this

Posted on: 01 December 2009 by Diccus62
...oh and thanks for the recommendations Fred and all 

Posted on: 01 December 2009 by Diccus62
quote:Originally posted by Lontano:quote:Originally posted by droodzilla:
I'm sure Adrian would second this recommendation![]()
Absolutely - a superb album and in my top albums of the year, as is this one,
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This is very good too... Spotify is a grand thing

Posted on: 02 December 2009 by droodzilla
quote:I like this
Glad you're enjoying it Diccus. If you look on YouTube you'll find videos of the trio playing every track on the album.
Posted on: 02 December 2009 by Diccus62
Cheers Droodz 

Posted on: 05 December 2009 by Colin Lorenson
Just being playing Bob Stenson Trio ( wih Anders Jormin and Paul Motian), Goodbye.
Beautiful jazz which leads off with the most serene and lyrical version of Send in the Clowns.
Other great Piano Trio albums (soemwhat) in the EST vein on ECM, are the titles "Achirana" and "The Triangle" with Arild Andersen, John Marhall and Vassilis Tsabropoulos. Worth a listen if you havent heard them.
Is their any truly bad music on ECM? Not sure I've heard any.
Beautiful jazz which leads off with the most serene and lyrical version of Send in the Clowns.
Other great Piano Trio albums (soemwhat) in the EST vein on ECM, are the titles "Achirana" and "The Triangle" with Arild Andersen, John Marhall and Vassilis Tsabropoulos. Worth a listen if you havent heard them.
Is their any truly bad music on ECM? Not sure I've heard any.
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by Lontano
Colin some good recomendations there. I really like Achirana a lot. I saw the band play it live once and it was excellent.
To answer your question if there are any bad ECM albums. Bad might be the wrong word but there are certainly some that are a little challenging and not so listenable but they tend to be less available. Overall the ECM catalogue
is one of the best of any label in the world and certainly the finest in contemporary jazz and classical music of the last 40 years.
To answer your question if there are any bad ECM albums. Bad might be the wrong word but there are certainly some that are a little challenging and not so listenable but they tend to be less available. Overall the ECM catalogue
is one of the best of any label in the world and certainly the finest in contemporary jazz and classical music of the last 40 years.
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by HansW:
A Naim CD in the same category that I keep returning to is Unions first release.
Speaking of the Naim label, this gives me the perfect opening to suggest these fine Naim albums, which will very likely appeal to fans of Gustavsen, Stanko, and EST, and of the ECM label in general:
Dreamhouse

Remember the River

Since Forever

Enjoy!
Fred
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by Lontano
I have them all Fred and have RTR on both CD and Vinyl 
PS, on your next album, can Steve bring Pat along with him to add a little guitar? That could be interesting!

PS, on your next album, can Steve bring Pat along with him to add a little guitar? That could be interesting!
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by bdnyc:
I am a big fan of piano jazz ... I am a big fan of Tord Gustavsen's work, and prefer the more meditative players who use space creatively in their playing or composing, or both.
Bruce, I think the three albums of mine I've suggested right above this are tailor made to fit your taste. I hope you get a chance to check them out.
All the best,
Fred
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by Lontano:
I have them all Fred and have RTR on both CD and Vinyl
PS, on your next album, can Steve bring Pat along with him to add a little guitar? That could be interesting!
Thanks for your steadfast support, Adrian ... I'm truly grateful.
Obviously, I'd be beyond thrilled to have Pat Metheny add some guitar to the mix. Back in the day, I frequently recorded with guitar when the opportunity presented itself. Another guitarist I'd be very interested in recording with is Bill Frisell.
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by Lontano
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:
Another guitarist I'd be very interested in recording with is Bill Frisell.
All best,
Fred
I could see Bill fitting in well with your sound. I have seen him a couple of times recently, with Ornette Coleman and then with Motian/Lovano. A very intersting and thoughtful guitarist.
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by Diccus62
quote:Originally posted by fred simon:quote:Originally posted by HansW:
A Naim CD in the same category that I keep returning to is Unions first release.
Speaking of the Naim label, this gives me the perfect opening to suggest these fine Naim albums, which will very likely appeal to fans of Gustavsen, Stanko, and EST, and of the ECM label in general:
Dreamhouse
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Remember the River
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Since Forever
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Enjoy!
Fred
Amazing Fred, he's got the same name as you
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by hungryhalibut
I have the first two Fred Simon albums, and excellent they are too. I bought the third, but could not stand the reed playing of Paul McCandless, so the CD was returned. Very disappointing.
Nigel
Nigel
Posted on: 05 December 2009 by fred simon
quote:Originally posted by hungryhalibut:
I have the first two Fred Simon albums, and excellent they are too. I bought the third, but could not stand the reed playing of Paul McCandless, so the CD was returned. Very disappointing.
Thanks for the kind words about Dreamhouse and Remember the River ... glad you dug them.
But sorry you didn't enjoy Since Forever. What's puzzling to me is that you single out McCandless, but he also plays on Remember the River, which you said you liked. His playing is essentially the same on both, my composing hasn't really changed, and both albums were recorded in the same place under similar circumstances.
Can you be specific about what it was that you "could not stand" in McCandless' playing on Since Forever but which somehow didn't bother you on Remember the River?
All best,
Fred
Posted on: 06 December 2009 by hungryhalibut
quote:Can you be specific about what it was that you "could not stand" in McCandless' playing on Since Forever but which somehow didn't bother you on Remember the River?
Hi Fred
'Could not stand' is probably not my best description ever!! His playing seemed over dominant, and did not really seem to 'fit in' - I just wanted him to shut up and let me hear the other players. An emotional thing really, rather than something I can easily rationalise, or try to explain.
Best regards
Nigel
Posted on: 06 December 2009 by Geoff P
In recommend mode. I think these two are excellent
Near Gale in particular


Near Gale in particular