You have been lied to, maniplated and decieved

Bush's "Troop Surge"

Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

I must say I am impressed with the quantity and quality of comment and debate on this ere thread concerning albeit trivial issues like our responsibilty to the planet and each other in the face of increasing transparent despotism by those we entrust the sacred duty of governing our contries although it has yet to reach the dizzying hights of threads concerning the colour of Naim kit or what bicycles to use in London.

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Are you going to be an idle spectator or are you going to try and make a difference?

Probably an idle spectator. Not sure anybody would like me to try to make a difference. All governments and corrupt, but some are more corrupt than others - I don't know who said that but it sound prophetic.

I know it was the Amboy Dukes who sung

If you want happinesss listen to me
Look only at things that you want to see
Life is a joke
And that's all it can be

One philosopher I once knew said Don't vote - it just encourages them.

So I sometimes like to just put everything in context and another great philospher (Eric Idle) once sung:

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough...

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the "Milky Way".

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

I think discussions on the colour of Naim kit or what bicycles to use in London are excellent topics for discussion on a Naim forum.

A happy and peaceful new year to you and lets hope 2007 brings something even better than 2006.

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Originally posted by ROTF:
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I think discussions on the colour of Naim kit or what bicycles to use in London are excellent topics for discussion on a Naim forum.

Not saying they are not and I have read all the posts - just having a little tease. I love that song from 'The meaning of Life' its jolly clever.

Happy New Year to you too.

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I must say I am impressed with the quantity and quality of comment and debate on this ere thread concerning albeit trivial issues like our responsibilty to the planet and each other in the face of increasing transparent despotism by those we entrust the sacred duty of governing our contries although it has yet to reach the dizzying hights of threads concerning the colour of Naim kit or what bicycles to use in London.

I suspect it may have something to do with not wishing to debate with a self righteous prick.

I am happy not to debate Herr born with a wee weena. I am happy to merely to stimulate thought.

Anyway, seeing as you have seen fit to grace this thread perhaps you could give your thoughts on my original question? Is it enough just to vote once every 5 years when the world is being run by dangerous despots or should we be a little more proactive in demanding the best from those we elect? Nazi Germany did not happen without the complicity or complacency of its people did it? What say you? Give it your best thoughts.

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Anyway, seeing as you have seen fit to grace this thread perhaps you could give your thoughts on my original question? Is it enough just to vote once every 5 years when the world is being run by dangerous despots or should we be a little more proactive in demanding the best from those we elect? Nazi Germany did not happen without the complicity or complacency of its people did it? What say you? Give it your best thoughts.

I am quite happy with the fuctioning of the democratic system in the UK and as a moderate am accepting that a government will on occasion elect to take actions I do not approve of. Were I to become aware, for example, that there was genocide being carried out in my country at any level (whether govt backed or not) I would like to think I would take direct action.

Now Hussein has visited to the gallows the world has one less despot to worry about - which relieves me and the Iraqi people from what I can gather.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

I believe we are both correct. I should have said 'Bush, in part, wants to.....'

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

Wait and see! Khuzestan is part of iran and lies between Iraq and Iran proper and contains the world's second largest oil and gas fields. The whole area has been infiltrated by US and UK special forces and prepared for invasion.

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

Wait and see! Khuzestan is part of iran and lies between Iraq and Iran proper and contains the world's second largest oil and gas fields. The whole area has been infiltrated by US and UK special forces and prepared for invasion.

Absolutely right!...I don't believe that America going for war in Iraq for democracy in Iraq (their next reason after can't find any WMD)...they're "honestly lie" about all those reasons to only benefit them & Israel.

God D_ m_ B_s_ _ _d! (fill in the blank)

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:


Wait and see! Khuzestan is part of iran and lies between Iraq and Iran proper and contains the world's second largest oil and gas fields. The whole area has been infiltrated by US and UK special forces and prepared for invasion.

Your evidence for this rather wild claim?

When UK SF goes into places, I'd be rather surprised if someone in Manila was best placed to detect their presence and intentions...they are usually a little bit more clever than that...and would it not also be likely that the Iranians would also be aware of this and doing something about it?

Or perhaps you have been reading too many Andy McNab books...

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Bush wants to send more troops into Iraq so HE can say that HE did not lose the war and to maximise the amount of arms sales before his term of office ends.

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

I was hoping for more details from TMP, since he stated this akin to as a matter of fact.

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Originally posted by Jo Sharp:
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Your evidence for this rather wild claim?

When UK SF goes into places, I'd be rather surprised if someone in Manila was best placed to detect their presence and intentions...they are usually a little bit more clever than that...and would it not also be likely that the Iranians would also be aware of this and doing something about it?

Or perhaps you have been reading too many Andy McNab books...

I detest Andy McNab (not his real name). I have met him. He is an odious, self serving, ambitious chancer and cover-up merchant who betrayed his own comrades and the memories and reputations of his comrades and lied in his book, whopping great bare faced lies. I am surprised someone from 22 has not slotted him. As for Iran, what makes you so sure that they would be anymore able to do something about the SAS than Iraq was able to do in the first and second Gulf war? I have not always lived in the Philippines and I have my sources. I can tell you that the SAS were in Baghdad 6 months before the first Gulf war. 6 months. I know this as a fact. I also know they are now busy in Iraq mounting false flag ops. Its a sick world we live in. Divide and rule and split Iraq into three different states and play each one off against the other. Its all been planned years ago. Wait and see.

That is an incredibly compelling film. The implications are almost too enormous to comprehend. Thanks for the link. One of the most important 90 minutes I have spent in a very long time.

Glad you took the time to watch it Chris - I watched it one night shift off-shore and was hooked.....although, saying that, there is always more than one side to a story, if you believe the story in the first place!!

After sending that link to my gorgeous other half, who is more of a realist and desperately wants to believe that human beings cannot possibly be so far gone as to do something so terrible (to themselves) she sent me a link to this website.

Sorry if this brings back horrible memories to our members living in the States.....conspiracy theories aside it was a tragic loss of many lives.....

The WTC film is certainly thought provoking. I always wondered why the buildings fell so completly.
It's good that GWB has his family in such strategic places eh? You never know when you want an election rigged,an excuse to invade a sovereign power.
Also good to see someone made a small profit from the collapse. Just $7Bn for $12m.

Did not begrudge that 90minutes at all.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

Its a fact, they share a border.

I am sure you know what I am asking. As usual just evasion on your part.

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:

No, Bush wants to send more troops to Iraq because it is next door to Iran.

Is this fact or just your guess?

Its a fact, they share a border.

Let me spell it out, so what?

Israel may possibly nuke Iran before they get close to realising the Bomb and its means of delivery...

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
Spell what out?

If you think that I am privy to any invasion plans of the US, you need your head examined. I am, however, very flattered.

You do not seem to be aware that Iran a) is trying to develop a Nuclear capability, and b) has stated that it wants to remove Israel from the face of the earth.

Put these together, see if you can figure it out.

Clue; the US is Israels' staunchest ally.

You like to post vague replies and insult others. Nothing you have so far mentioned is not unknown. I say again so what? Is that your only reason (from your above post)?

The other well-known site is www.loosechange911.com

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:


You do not seem to be aware that Iran a) is trying to develop a Nuclear capability, and b) has stated that it wants to remove Israel from the face of the earth.

The CIA is on record as saying there is NO evidence whatsoever that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has never said it wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth - what it's president said, and this is checkable, is that he wanted to wipe the 'ruling regime' off the face of the earth and this is entirely different and given that Israel would like to do the same to him (and has the means to do so)then Israel has no grounds for complaint imo.

Nuking Iran on the basis that Iran MIGHT use nukes, IF THEY HAD any would be a war crime but of course they would get away with it given the US/UK/Israel control of the UN.

One would have to ask why would Iran nuke Israel at all given that the obvious guaranteed nuclear retaliation would be swift and final. Iraq would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. All in all I think it is best to discount Israeli/US fear mongering for what it is - manipulative propaganda to further its aims of dominating the oil and gas reserves in the area.

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Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
That is an incredibly compelling film. The implications are almost too enormous to comprehend. Thanks for the link. One of the most important 90 minutes I have spent in a very long time.

Yes, I saw this documentary some time ago and many other similar documentaries. I think AT THE VERY LEAST there is a case to answer but the US government totally ignores any attempts to discuss any of the issues. Many times government officials have been invited to debate/discuss the so called 9/11 conspiracy issues but they always decline. There are a number of people who have offered million dollar rewards for anyone who can prove the governments interpretation of how the twin towers collapsed but no one has been able to do so.

If one watches 'Loose change' and '9/11 Mysteries' together with the documentary I supplied a link to on the opening post of this thread I think it is impossible to ignore the fact that there is at least something going on which ain't quite right!