Barrack Room Lawyers
Posted by: Steve Toy on 10 March 2006
I first heard this expression during teacher training with particular reference to a rather challenging but small Year 8 class. I agree that 12-year-olds who successfully challenge the authority of a teacher do nobody any favours. If the teacher is acting inconsistently or unfairly then the issues need to be raised outside of the classroom - preferably to another, more senior member of staff, or parents who may then raise such issues on their behalf.
I guess in the military the implications are similar. However, in a democratic civilian society of adults it is not only our right to challenge authority, it is our duty in order to ensure such authority remains accountable.
I think this is where myself and Mick differ on more than a few occasions, on this very issue.
Discuss.
Posted on: 10 March 2006 by Berlin Fritz
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Posted on: 11 March 2006 by Mick P
Steven
This is one instance where we agree.
You waffle about every rule proclaiming your inocence and the inocence of others whilst my kind just get on with doing things and manipulate the system to our advantage.
Regards
Mick.........never been done for speeding as of yet.
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by andy c
I often think that some legislation which relies on the 'ignorance is no defence' ethos could be better educated to the general public.
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by MarkEJ
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Mick.........never been done for speeding as of yet.
Ah, you tread a thin line:
quote:
Mick Parry: Senior Member
Posted Thu 04 December 2003 23:07
Driving fast is fun and exciting but we all know it is dangerous.
Driving at 70 mph is fast enough and if you go faster, you increase your chances of being involved in an accident.
Before you accuse me of being a paragon of virtue, I have been pulled up seven times on a motorway for speeding (I used to run Jaguars) but fortunately I talked my way out of it each time.
Thats one advantage of being middle aged and wearing a suit.
The law protects us and others from ourselves.
And:
quote:
Mick Parry
Senior Member
Posted Thu 04 December 2003 23:20
I was photographed doing 36 mph, going through a red light last year.
It was a £30 fine and 3 points and I blame no one but myself. I don't drive through lights anymore.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by MarkEJ
I think this sums it up pretty well:
quote:
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by Mick P
Mark
Yes you could drive in excess of 70 mph on a motorway a few years ago and almost certainly never get stopped. Those were the days when I used to do around 20,000 miles pa and was pulled up 7 times over possibly a 15 year period.
Speeding is ill advised today because of the multitude of cameras evertwhere.
The best policy is to be boring and keep to the rules.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by monkfish
Hi
I have had three speeding convictions over a period of about ten years (one was a motorcycle and two more recently in cars).
The points have now been removed from my licence and I now tend to agree with Mick and stick to the rules.
Regards
Jim
Posted on: 11 March 2006 by erik scothron
Berlin Fritz was a barrack room lawyer before taking holy ordination as a priest but old habits die hard and he still like to keep his hand in, hence his posts on this forum.
Posted on: 15 March 2006 by Steve Toy
quote:
Speeding is ill advised today because of the multitude of cameras evertwhere.
The best policy is to be boring and keep to the rules.
As more people stick to the rules the speed limits have to come down further in order to maintain the levels of revenue. Eventually minimum speed limits will have to be imposed that are higher than the maxima...
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by andy c
I theel you what - its a good job crime is so low in this country that we can keep going on about speed limits!
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by u5227470736789439
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Toy:
...in order to maintain the levels of revenue. Eventually minimum speed limits will have to be imposed that are higher than the maxima...
Dear Friends,
I am sure many will agree that this is the funniest thing to be read here for many a long while!
Fredrik
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by Fisbey
I think the bottom line in many cases (when a younger person appears to challenge authority) is basically:
'don't criticise your parents'
Just a thought.
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by u5227470736789439
'don't cticise your parents.'
Why ever not, if they are wrong? But to assume you know better till you really do is also something you only know once you grow up!
Fredrik
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by Fisbey
I wasn't saying my statement was correct....
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by u5227470736789439
I guessed that! You did call it a thought! But in my life's experience, one that can have an awful lot of truth in it in certain situations!
Don't ask...
All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by Fisbey
OK I agree and I won't!
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by u5227470736789439
Posted on: 16 March 2006 by Steve Toy
Mick's definition is therefore someone who questions his elders or betters.
The self-appointed authority figure may be my elder but he's not my better.
