n-vi and the uk

Someone told me there was a problem with power supply so many have been recalled. Better to be safe than sorry.

you are probably right simon, am just getting a bit impatient waiting for it

John,

They seem to be shipping now. I picked up mine earlier this afternoon.

I am now having a battle of wills with it over setup. Probably down to me being ham fisted but a few annoyances I've noticed thus far ...

The response to the handset is variable at best. Much waving around to catch it's attention. Similar to when the batteries are running down in a handset. Maybe I'll try some others.

I can only load DAB presets 1-5. Loading presets 6 upwards get immediately overwritten by the next station you tune into!

Speaker distance setup. This one had me pulling my hair out. Select speaker, dial in distance, confirm with OK. And then, just as the sub-menu folds, the distance resets itself to 0. AArrgghh. Redo, now it's fine. But what's this? Front left has now gone back to 0. Bugger. Repeat for ten minutes. Like trying to herd cats ....

Just the one Doh! moment. My Sky+ was running a stereo pair into my old A/V box for decode. Analogue inputs on the n-vi are stereo only. I'll have to dig up a digital optical cable from somewhere as it's the only other output on my version of the box. Anyone got a spare?

One worry ... I'm only running into a Sony 32" CRT via SCART/RGB for the moment, but the one of test patterns shows about 12% of the left hand side and 8% of the right missing. Is this right? It also means the start of the menus is missing. No adustment on the box that I can see and none on the TV either. One for call to Naim tomorrow I think - my dealer's only had hands on for a few hours with a loaned demo box so he can't help me. Hence the DIY install - I can read a manual as well as he can!

Not having had DAB before, I didn't realise that the standard DAB antenna input is a Type F connector - like the ones on a Sky box. Luckily I had a some kicking around so I could re-do my lead. Maybe an idea to add one to the box contents for those with previous analogue radio setups Mr Naim?

Once I make the thing come to heel I'll post my findings.

Duncan

duncan, not sure what you mean when you say analogue inputs are stereo only ? i have a left and right phono running into my denon, are you saying they wont work ?

John.

Analogue inputs on the n-vi only allow a stereo "decode mode". So L/R in becomes L/R out. Fine for CD's and other stereo sources.

On my Yam a/v box I ran L/R from Sky+ and had the Yam wave a wand an turn it into surround. Can't do that with the n-vi, I'll have to use a digital input to have it apply one of the surround decode modes.

No big deal when I can dig up an opt. dig. cable.

Duncan

P.S. Handset response now normal after I cycled it to standby and back again!

thanks duncan, i think my telewest tv drive has an optical out, so looks like another few quid for a lead

Duncan,

Surely the nVi'll do a Pro-logic decode on a analog input ? The AV2 does that and you'd need it to feed in a TV or Sky feed of some sort ?

Roy.

roy, will be phoning my dealer in the morning and if it does not out-put pro-logic on an analogue input i will be cancelling my order, any £100 receiver is capable of doing that

Some of those issues have been previosly noted and will be fixed on future firmware (and no I don't know when this is being released).

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One worry ... I'm only running into a Sony 32" CRT via SCART/RGB for the moment, but the one of test patterns shows about 12% of the left hand side and 8% of the right missing. Is this right? It also means the start of the menus is missing. No adustment on the box that I can see and none on the TV either. One for call to Naim tomorrow I think - my dealer's only had hands on for a few hours with a loaned demo box so he can't help me. Hence the DIY install - I can read a manual as well as he can!

I have personally seen several different Sony CRT sets do this via scart input. (This does not suggest that the player is faulty nessesarily).

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Not having had DAB before, I didn't realise that the standard DAB antenna input is a Type F connector - like the ones on a Sky box. Luckily I had a some kicking around so I could re-do my lead. Maybe an idea to add one to the box contents for those with previous analogue radio setups Mr Naim?

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Originally posted by Roy Donaldson:
Duncan,

Surely the nVi'll do a Pro-logic decode on a analog input ? The AV2 does that and you'd need it to feed in a TV or Sky feed of some sort ?

Roy.

No it won't preform DSP on analogue inputs, the n-vi is not an AV2. Most sky+ boxes have digital outputs.

Did your dealer not suggest this was the case at the time of purchase?

Roy,

I've just tried it again and "Analogue" is the only mode allowed on the analogue (1 x DIN + 2 x RCA's) inputs.

The manuals confirm this. Check table 10.4 in the AV2 manual and table 9.6 in the n-vi manual. You can apply all sorts of modes to analogue with the AV2 with the caveat that some wierd sounds may arise. No such capability in the n-vi.

As I say for me it's not an issue as I can use a digital output on my Sky box. But if there are some TV recievers out there with only L/R outputs you are buggered.

Duncan

Duncan,

That's quite strange. I'd have thought that doing Pro-LogicII on an analog input would have been a feature that the nVi would have.

Roy.

av@naim perhaps my dealer forgot to mention it?
i wonder how many of the other 8 people he said have it on order also dont know, as i have changed my cable to the telewest tv drive which does have an optical out i presume i should be ok,

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Originally posted by AV@naim:
Some of those issues have been previosly noted and will be fixed on future firmware (and no I don't know when this is being released).

Thanks AV. I assumed it was firware issues. There's nothing I can see that fundamentally affects the functioning of the machine, rather the setup of it.

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One worry ... I'm only running into a Sony 32" CRT via SCART/RGB for the moment, but the one of test patterns shows about 12% of the left hand side and 8% of the right missing. Is this right? It also means the start of the menus is missing. No adjustment on the box that I can see and none on the TV either.

I have personally seen several different Sony CRT sets do this via scart input. (This does not suggest that the player is faulty nessesarily).

I'll do a side by side tonight with my old Sony DVD and see if the "chop" was previously there on programme material but unnoticed by me. With the numbers on the test patterns I've now got some way of quantifying an error which I didn't even know existed before!

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Not having had DAB before, I didn't realise that the standard DAB antenna input is a Type F connector - like the ones on a Sky box. Luckily I had a some kicking around so I could re-do my lead. Maybe an idea to add one to the box contents for those with previous analogue radio setups Mr Naim?

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OK. Again I know nothing about DAB. In fact I didn't even know I was having a DAB n-vi until it turned up! The options were then wait longer for my machine or grab what the dealer had.

I have an external aerial installation for both VHF and UHF. Standard 75 ohm coax with normal push fit terminators. The DAB socket on the n-vi is an F-type which a quick Google suggests may be normal for DAB. So all I've done is change the cable termination. It works fine. Is this more luck than judgement? All I'm suggesting is that if changing a terminator is all it takes, then you may wish to include one in the box. Not everone will have F-type plugs lying around.

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No it won't preform DSP on analogue inputs, the n-vi is not an AV2. Most sky+ boxes have digital outputs.

Did your dealer not suggest this was the case at the time of purchase?

Granted it's not an AV2, but why should that mean that DSP on analogue inputs is eliminated? It has DSP on digital inputs a la AV2. And given that it has analogue inputs and DSP processing modes, surely modding the firmware to allow these combinations of processing is a zero cost option?

As I mentioned, my dealer had a demo box from another store in the chain for one day for a few customers to prod so he is unfamiliar with the machine. I'm certain most dealers, having setup their n-vi's, have not delved into the difference in decode mode availabilty by comparing the tables in the two manuals.

And AFAIK some Sky boxes do not have a digital output. Maybe a note to dealers flagging this to potential plain Sky customers?

Duncan

I't not uncommon for sky boxes to have a digital out (my sony has), but I believe at the moment it's only enabled if the subcriber has a sky+ subscription.

Yes, that's right. The only digital out from Sky is if you have a Sky+ box.

So, people with ordinary Sky boxes, or who want to just use a Freeview box, or the L/R from their TV will not be able to have these signals processed in ProLogic.

I think Linn had this problem with their first version of the Classik Movie and so brought out their upgraded Movie Di which did them do this.

Roy.

yes roy, and people like my boy with his playstation 2

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I'll do a side by side tonight with my old Sony DVD and see if the "chop" was previously there on programme material but unnoticed by me. With the numbers on the test patterns I've now got some way of quantifying an error which I didn't even know existed before!).

I would be interested in the result.... It may be that the SCART specification is not strigently stuck to by TV manufacturers.

just to inform av@ naim, my dealer did not even know it could not out-put pro-logic from an anologue source, so as for dealers letting there buyers know perhaps naim shold inform there so called dealers.

I called my dealer to update him and it turns out that he was aware of the restriction but thought that as I'd been through the manual before I demoed the box I was also aware.

He is however going to chat to his other customers with orders and double check what input sources they are planning.

BTW he agrees that an F-type in the box would be a good thing.

As an when firmware updates come along, how are they deployed? Is it back to the dealer or some form of boot from a CD-R?

Duncan

Duncan

AT LEAST YOUR DEALER AGREES WITH YOU, THE PERSON I SPOKE TO SEEMS TO THINK HIS CUSTOMERS WILL BE QUITE HAPPY WITH IT THE WAY IT IS ?, CAN'T SAY I AGREE WITH HIM

Not at all bad!

I'm mostly plugged in now - just waiting for a dig. opt. cable from my dealer for connecting my Sky+.

This is a neat machine ... DVD's and surround on those are very, very good. And after my CD dem on a cold machine at my dealers which left me underwhelmed, it's starting to sing after being warm for a day. I look forward to more improvements as it beds in.

I can live with the ergonomic pain of the setup. It's a one off job. In terms of doing its' primary jobs it gets a big thumbs up.

For AV/Adam I have a few suggestions/questions that may or may not be practical. CD's need to be "moded" to get PCM 2/0 to hold when played. I don't know the Red Book standard, but does this not flag up when reading the disc? Generally I get offered a 5.1 mode by default when playing CD's.

Also I've not had a Naim box with "standby" before and I'm not tempted to use it as I get pops/crackles on my 250.2 (directly connected) when in standby. I presume powered up 24/7 will not be an issue?

Some of my DVD's (e.g. Shawshank Redemption) are primarily 2.0 but with 5.1 as an option. It would be neat to able to pin a mode (e.g 5.1) to an input. Or maybe I'm (mis)reading the manual.

John R1, go with the flow. You'll not be disappointed when your box turns up.

Duncan

can't wait till get mine duncan, dealer said he would set it up hopefully, i also need a optical cable to run from my telewest tv-drive, hope the optical cable will be easier to set up than getting the tv drive to out-put hd through component into vga ?

Make sure your unit has at least v2.6.6.163 firmware - and yes Naim have admitted that the n-Vi PSU is faulty - so my advice - wait and don't buy one until it's fixed.

Ray,

Two questions: how do I check the firmware version? And how do the power supply problems manifest themselves?

Bit too late for me to wait now!

Duncan