Help me - I don't get it

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Originally posted by ROTF:
Hi Tam, Droodzilla, Dean

Thank you for taking the time to reply. The albums I have tried were available in my local library: Sketches of Spain, Kind of Blue and Bitches Brew.

I went back to the library this morning and they had In a Silent Way - just played it, having never heard it before - and .... (insert drum roll) ..... I really like it. So much so I've ordered a copy of my own. . . .

ATB Rotf

Rotf, if you find yourself really loving "In A Silent Way," then I might suggest getting the Columbia "In A Silent Way Complete Sessions." There's a lot of worthwile music there that did not make it to the final LP version, the 26 min tune "Getto Walk" being one of them.

Listening to IASW right now.
daniel

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Originally posted by dsteady:
For some reason my editing permission has been revoked, but if I could edit the above post ....
dan'l

My recollection is editing of a post is available for only a short period of time... I've done it before within the first 15 minutes or so.

Thanks for the Wilco info, I had borrowed studio albums and not gotten hooked, borrowed "Kill Television" but maybe didn't give it enough of a chance. Recently I downloaded a show from Chicago in July and have enjoyed it very much.

Will follow your suggestions ... thanks.

Jeff A

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Originally posted by Rasher:

I was talking to my buddy Dave last week that I didn't get Johnny Cash, and he said he didn't until he saw the film - so sometimes I guess you have to find the mind of the musician before you can understand - like seeing a great painting but putting it in the wrong room.

That's because Johnny Cash, despite his unspeakable greatness and stature to Country Music, and, even, the early days of rock'n'roll has recorded piles of unlistenable crap. You, really, really have to sift and wade to get to the gems. I'm also in agreement that the film helps. For me the place to start is the "american" recordings which get to the soul of the man (in black).

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Originally posted by Jeff Anderson Recently I downloaded a show from Chicago in July and have enjoyed it very much.
Will follow your suggestions ... thanks.
Jeff A

Well, that should read "from Boston in June", but I'll stand by the enjoying part.

The aging, pharmauceutically-altered brain is a thing of beauty Sorry

Jeff A

Just tried Bitches Brew,no way could I listen to this. Tuneless noodlings.

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Originally posted by Jeff Anderson:
The aging, pharmauceutically-altered brain is a thing of beauty

The phase after the grumpy years.
One way ticket to nirvana.

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
One way ticket to nirvana.

If it is this Nirvana then that's fine by me.

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Originally posted by munch:
Rotf can you send me this album.

Yes - I can.

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....Does anybody (jazz fan or otherwise) get Sun Ra? jeeez ....what a racket!

I 'get' Sun Ra, especially like his early Seventies live stuff, including his toying around with first generation Moog synthesizers. He's (was) from another planet.

Willem

Nick Lowe : Pure Pop for Now People



I never got this "pure pop Masterpiece" the critics claimed it to be. To me it sounds like a bunch of drivel. If the songs are supposedly all in different styles as denoted by the insert pics on the album, then to me they all sound the same.

Also, I find the cover embarrassingly trite and tacky even by 70's standards.

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Nick Lowe : Pure Pop for Now People. I never got this "pure pop Masterpiece" the critics claimed it to be.

I'm with you on that - though Nick Lowe, IIRC, produced some good stuff for other people.

I think there are some Nick Lowe fans on the forum who might explain it to us.

Count me in on that too.

ELO. Jeff Lynne productions with those multi-layers vocal line snaps that repeat the main line:

I was searchin' SEARCHIN' on a one-way street,
I was hopin' HOPIN' for a chance to meet.
I was waitin' for the operator on the line.

You gotta slow down SLOW DOWN sweet talkin' woman SLOW DOWN
You got me runnin' RUN RUN you got me searchin'.
Hold on HOLD ON sweet talkin' lover HOLD ON
It's so sad if that's the way it's over.



It drives me MAD!!! I CAN'T STAND IT!
So what happens? Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, all the greats want him to produce their records! And they all end up sounding like EL-Bloody-O!!
In the context of not getting it, I really really really do not get it big-time.
Is it me?
Oh..and Jeff Lynne - He looks such a twat too, don't you think?



Who the f**k invited him ?

Rasher - try some Idle Race or ELO's Eldorado and you may find that Jeff can get some things right - he's supposedly a real Wizzard in the studio.

As for him looking like a twat - what's wrong with that - so do I.

ATB Rotf

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Originally posted by Rasher:

Very nice guitars' parade.

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:

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Originally posted by Rasher:

Very nice guitars' parade.

must've been sponsored by gibson.

Another vote for a general ban on everything Jeff Lynne might do. They all say he's a wizard in the studio but to me it's a pathetic sounding sauce, a bit like poorly imitated Phil Spector. His music kinda sounds 'pregnant'. If only just one instrument could sound clean, honest and direct - forget about it. It's like a woman with a ton of makeup.

When he does it with his own material (Don't Bring Me Down is ok) it's his right, but things turn sour when he pollutes other's music, as in Free As A Bird. Especially as the song itself wasn't that orgasmic in the first place.

Oh and I've always asked myself why Jeff Lynne created a band called ELO. Because it was fashionable to have a band in the mid-70's ? I'd be amazed if anyone here remebered only one other band member. It was actually composed of Jeff Lynne with quite a number of session musicians enabling him to play with multiple layers.

Bev Bavan - was in the Move and then a stalwart of ELO - Roy Wood, of course, was in the very first incarnation.

If you want to get in to ELO then give Eldorado a spin - it's a great record.

I agree, that's generally the curse of too many tracks and all teh technology to make special effects. Guess one original sourse was the Beatles, once they gave up touring and went into the studio they raised the bar for recordings it's been a race ever since. There is another popular producer, I can't think of his name, does over produced recordings from Emmylou Harris' Wrecking Ball to Dyalan and it all sounds too smooth. Dylan wrote about working with him in New Orleans in his book and they had different perspectives and he'd go home for the night and next morning it would sound totally different. Don't remember teh name of that album. sorry my mind is so adled and I gave that book away like all of the producer's albums.

daniel lanois

yeah that's him, I knew someone would know. at 53 my gray matter just isn't being replaced like it has in the past.

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Originally posted by fidelio:
daniel lanois

Incidentally I prefer Daniel Lanois to Jeff Lynne by a huge margin, with him a guitar was at least still sounding like a guitar. For a time, Lanois turned everything he touched into gold. One may like what he did or not, but he did display a fair amount of creativity in the studio.

He worked on Bob Dylan's Oh Mercy:



In my audiofool period this CD was always in my jacket when I went to hifi shows. Today I think it's definitely too much technicolor of everything - one listens to 'sound' rather than music. Herbert von Karajan would have exulted with him at the mixing desk of the Philharmonie.

Dear Cheese,

I thought you admired HvK! I have no doubt you are right however. Even in his EMI days he was not above advising the engineers how they could "improve" the sound! I think the results show, especially once he went [more or less] to DG after he took on the BPO. The results suit some tastes better than others...

ATB from Fredrik

Fredrik, I do admire HvK for some of his work (Beethoven 77), Brahms Requiem even though there are many good ones, and with his Neue Wiener Schule pack (bought at a charity shop) I recently I found out that Schoenberg could be very listenable music indeed.

Too many people here know about HvK records which were so-so, no later that today I heard Holst's Jupiter and it clearly appeared that the sirupy Berlin Philharmonic of the day was better at playing Schumann or Rachmaninov symphonies rather than Holst.

So basically we more or less agree this time so my day is done.

By the way, want a horror vision ? Jeff Lynne mixing the St-Matthew under Klemperer. And reproduced on a 7-1 surround system.

Oh btw I remember that Pete-Gab's So was produced by Daniel Lanois. If some of you don't think that's a masterpiece in terms of production (as well as everything else), no it really is.