CDX2/XPS vs CDS2

Posted by: David Antonelli on 28 February 2003

I had the pleasure last night to borrow a CDX2 from my dealer so i could compare it to the CDS2 and get a good idea which direction naim is going. The rest of my system is NAT01/CDS2/52/500/ WB ACT 2 all on WB Triptych and Asside carbon fiber support racks. My system has recently sounded quite spectacular and the only urge to upgrade has come from just that: an urge. No fault of my system.

Anyway, I was aggrevated to find that after I drove the 10 miles out to my dealer and came back that the CDX2 was locked in RCA mode and I had to go back to get the remote, which was not in the box. Once I came back I fired up the bare CDX2. I was rather surprised at the clarity and delicacey of the trebble and the openness of the soundstage, in this regard it is certainly an improvement over the old CDX, which had a bit too much digital hash in the trebble for my tatse. I played a few accoustic pieces from this mortal coil's "Filigree and Shadow" and then moved on to Neil Halstead's superb solo album, which I like to describe as Nick Drake on mushrooms. The strings were very clean and the vocals smooth, although perhaps "smaller" subjectively than the CDS2. The whole ssystem fell down, however, on music with drive. Sonic Youth's "Daydream Nation" which I had been listening to on repeat for the last two weeks (sometimes the CDS2 does that to you) sounded quite crude. The transients were clumsey and it became apparent that the CDX, while possessing a polished detailed sound, cut out a lot of the body of the note, its natural decay.

So I quickly hooked it up to the XPS. This brought about some improvement in the bass, which after Daydream nation was exposed as sounding a bit thin and boxy, and improved the transients a little so that sonic youth was now more engaging. The immediate thing that struck me was that this player now had a more 3-d sound than the CDS2 (not that the CDS2 sounds flat, because it DOES have a very 3 d sound) and that there was an increased clarity in subtle details, but only in the trebble and upper mids. Unfortunately the lack of fluidity and natural decay was still a problem, as was the bass extension and control.

I went back to the CDS 2, which was now cold, and immediately everything improved in a big way. The sonic picture was perhaps not as spread out in the room, but the timing, fluidity, truth of timber and control over dynamics was much much better. At this stage I decided to go back to the CDX2/XPS and open a bottle of Bernard Dugat's spellbinding 1999 Gevrey Chambertin Lavaux St Jaques, and entered an ethereal world of sour cherries, licorice, and vinilla bean, while going back to "Filigree and Shadow" enjoying the player for the rest of the evening.

The bottom line is that the CDX2 is better than the CDX in terms of soundstage and detail and has a vividness and tonal color that the older player lacks. Against the CDS2 it seems slightly more layerd and three d and has a more crisp sound, which is when listened to closely is really the lack of natural decay and can be considered a digital artifact. The lack of fluidity, natural warmth, bass extension, control on transients, and sort of drum machine timing (although not as bad as the CDX), really makes this player fall substantially short of the CDS 2. Would it sound better with an XPS2? certainly, but i could not see a small change in power supplies accounting for such a change. My experience with the CDX and CDX/XPS is that the addition of the XPS adds weight and a certain warmth and cleanliness but doesn't change the overall sense of fluidity or presentation of the music.

The CDX2 is a victory, yes, but it is still a CDX by any other name. I await the CDS 3 and expect it to be like the CDS 2, but with greater detail and a more "vivid" sonic picture.

Dave
Posted on: 28 February 2003 by Vik
Dave,

none of the CDX2s in the Far East are properly run in yet. the oldest one is about 4 months or so. and yes, i agree - cds2/xps is superior to cdx2 or cdx2/xps - so far.

HOWEVER, i am keeping a very close eye on the CDX2 - to the point of ordering one for myself in fact.

im sure you agree the existing virtues of Naim CD sound are indispensible to anyone willing to listen - musical accuracy, tonal accuracy, and robustness.

What i honestly wasn't prepared for was what i am sure now many people are noticing - openness and delicacy, superbly integrated into the existing sound.

A cdx2 may ultimately not tower over the cds2 - i don't know - but i feel this newfound allure will carve it a niche at this price point, to say the least.

for many, it'll be like falling in love all over again.

vik.
Posted on: 28 February 2003 by Mike Hanson
I did this comparison myself last week, and I can confirm that David's impressions are very close to my own. The CDX2 alone sounded small, electronic and metronomic. With the XPS, everything (bass, soundstage, etc.) got bigger, but it still sounded very stiff rhythmically, and rather electronic.

The CDS2/XPS was much more natural and nuanced.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 28 February 2003 by Edwin
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At this stage I decided to go back to the CDX2/XPS and open a bottle of Bernard Dugat's spellbinding 1999 Gevrey Chambertin Lavaux St Jaques, and entered an ethereal world of sour cherries, licorice, and vinilla bean, while going back to "Filigree and Shadow" enjoying the player for the rest of the evening.




Dave,

How are you finding the '99s? I've been busily stocking up on '99s myself. Just wondering how they are drinking.

Edwin
Posted on: 28 February 2003 by David Antonelli
Vik,
I think the new CDX2 was quite different from the CDX in balance. There is more space and detail in the trebble, a more layerd and precise sound, but the bass has less drive. Otherwise they are largely similar. I was pleased with its performance on strings and it even in some cases seemed a little more colorful than the CDS2. But this afternoon, the CDX2/XPS playing all night and morning, I came home and listended to daydream nation, by sonic youth, hardly an audiophile disc, but one the CDS 2 is able to make sense of. All that Cal Arts angst and atonal guitar textures actually sounds "beautiful" on a CDS2. On the CDX2/XPS it sounded, as Mike said, metronomic, and even bright. I switched it off and went to the now 18 h cold CDS 2. With the first chord the CDX2 was shown its limitations.

Edwin,

The 1999s are right now at a mixture of phases depending on the producer. The wines from the North like Gevery Chambertin are generally still coiled and tight. It is only the enormose doses of ripe fruit, Dugat-Py is known for, that made last nights wine so stunning. I have had several other 99s recently and some of them have a braced satiny feel and need time.
Dugat-Py's charmes is still a bit solid in texture, for example.

The DRC wines from Vosne are not as tannic and apart from the Romanee Conti can probably be enjoyed now. I had some of the Eschezaux and their new Premier Crus (from the La Tache vinyard) . These were fresh and bright, burgundies in the style of koolaid without a glitch. Still, I find DRCs to be a bit ostentatious in style and like the earthier wines of the north more.

In general, Vosne and Corton to the south were riper than Gevery Chambertin, Morey St Denis. Chambole Musigny got hit with more rain during harvest and will be more dilute than the rest. The best Geverey's will all be great, but are a touch less ripe and lush than the Vosne wines and will need a few more years. So my advice would be to hold out for at least 2 years for anything in your cellar and then you will not be dissapointed. Most 99s don't have the fruit to last more than 12 years in teh cellar but most have enough tannins to warrant at least 4 years of bottle aging.

Dave
Posted on: 01 March 2003 by Arun Mehan
Thanks for that Dave and Mike. After reading what others were posting on this topic, I thought everyone had been affected by some weird virus! Perhaps bioterrorism that attacks the auditory system only Wink
Posted on: 01 March 2003 by Don Braid
Thanks, Dave. As one who bought the CDS2 at the top of the market I would be some ticked off if the new CDX2 were better. Naim has the sense to keep the officers and soldiers in their proper ranks. Not that I scorn the old CDX. It's a very good player; just don't use it with any pre-amp better than an 82.
Cheers,
Don
Posted on: 02 March 2003 by David Antonelli
Tom,

Thanks. I'm glad some people are sensible.

Arun...Don,

Soldiers in their proper ranks even in the face of an audio virus, that's what I like to see.!

I guess I was just responding to much of what I had seen on the forum to the effect that the CDX2/XPS2 was better than the CDS2. Being open minded, I tried for myself (mind you no XPS2, but having gone up the naim ladder with a system in many incarnations I know what a better power supply can and cannot do) and came up with the conclusion posted. I think when new products come out there is always some aspect of the performance that tickles us into thinking that a newer version of a lower product is better than an older version of a higher product. In this case it is an increased 3-d soundstage over the CDS2 that is responsible for all the guiles. In every other aspect, the CDX2/XPS is a buck private next to the field marshal of the CDS2.

Oh well, even soldiers can dress as kings sometimes!

dave