Shooting / walking jacket

Posted by: Mick P on 28 December 2005

Chaps

My Barbour wax cotton jacket of 20 years seems to have shrunk a few inches around the waist, so I will be passing it on to one of my sons.

I propose to buy one over the next few days and would like to pick your brains.

Is the wax cotton still the best best or are the new machine washable ones as good. Are there any pros and cons.

If anyone has any knowledge or experience of either, I would be grateful to hear from you.

The main use will be for the occassional shoot and more for taking the dog for a walk.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Fisbey
The occassional shoot? - I'd think you'd have trouble getting a needle through the waxed cotton, so I'd go for a machine washable variety - much softer fabric.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Ancipital
Just drag it through some bushes & some mud, hose it down, use a piece of very fine sandpaper and do a bit of dodgy reproofing and it'll look 10 years old in no time at all Big Grin

Steve.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Diode100
I read in some weekend style section that Barbour's compeditor of old, Belstaff, was now the outdoor jacket of choice of the bright young things. Their, masterpiece used to be called the Blck Prince, in days of the real Black Prince (Vincent), but now they are called Trialmaster and Roadmaster.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Nime
Those damned wax hjackets are cold, stiff, scruffy, fray at the edges, aren't particularly waterprooof and are worn like a uniform by those who could afford the best materials available.
Why, oh why, oh why, oh why do people still insist on wearing them? Even the bløødy pheasants can hear them scraping along and immediately take to the minor roads! Can't move for pheasants on the lanes around here when there's a bløødy shoot! You just need a couple of decent chaps with a damned great net! Not a bløødy gun!
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Look at this sober model.
(Walking stick not included)
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Nime
No Gianluigi, that's a set of tweeds.
A wax jacket is simply awful in comparison and probably less waterproof!
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
I had one of those once.
I did spread wax everywear and the smell was terrific.
Even doggy couldn't stand it.
After few months wax went away and the jacket was full of holes.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Nime
I'd blame the dog!
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Yes.
But she didn't pay a cent for her own smell.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Nime
I knew a Newfoundland like that once.
Prefer the German Shepherd when they aren't actually gnawing bits of one's extremities.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Merto
There are far better modern materials, lighter, quieter, warmer etc but then I doubt any would last another 20 years. There is also the fact that an old wax jacket becomes very personal and no 2 will ever look the same. I have a wardrobe full of fleecy goretex type stuff, all of which works extremely well for days out in the mountains but for an occasional shoot, I would stick with the wax jacket. A bit like owning a vintage car....or a vintage Purdy!
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
My old german sheperd had a real great self control.
Really a great balance and an endless will to play.
She really was fantastic and i really miss her.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Nime
The quality of the material is paramount!
A glance is enough to tell quality from mere sacking.
Sorry Gianluigi we're back on-topic. (for a moment)
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Spock
For something a little more modern try...

Jacket

Rather splendid!

Spock
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
You'd go walking around in such "thing"?
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
and a hat!
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
This is good for trees camouflage
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Snow ambush
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Roy T
In another place Paramo has a few fans so might be worth a browse.
Posted on: 28 December 2005 by Ancipital
quote:
Originally posted by Spock:
For something a little more modern try...

Jacket

Rather splendid!

Spock


If I turned up at my shooting club wearing that, they would take the pee so much I would never be able to live it down. Was bad enough being the only auto shooter though it did give me the fun of bouncing shells off the person next to me. Winker

Steve.
Posted on: 29 December 2005 by Mick P
Chaps

Bright gaudy colours are out. Dull neutral colours are essential to blend in with the country side.

I intend to purchase Barbour but they now make wax cotton as well as the machine washable gore-tex stuff. With Barbour you get good solid traditional quality. I have no intention of wearing the thing over my suit in the city, I use a normal crombie overcoat for that.

I must admit I am drawn to the wax cotton.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 29 December 2005 by Nime
Mick

Since the wax jacket has become such a universal symbol of the British rural lifestyle perhaps you ought simply to take more notice of what your companions are actually wearing? Then discuss their choice with those who are not wearing a quality wax jacket.

Winter hunting conditions are colder over here and the enormous numbers of hunters (with guns and of all social classes) are rarely seen in waxed cotton (in my limited experience) despite the universal wearing of green clothing.

Since their activities are repellant to me I take little interest in what they actually wear for their butchery.

May I suggest that, should you decide to follow the herd (and your hard-won instincts) that you purchase two quality wax jackets? Thus allowing a modicum of rotation between the two to ensure they dry and air properly between outings. The better to survive your walks with the dog.

Perhaps one Bellstaff and one from a competing quality maker? Perhaps a Barbour? The comparison between the two might even prove enlightening and worthy of polite conversation in the quieter moments on a shoot. Smile
Posted on: 29 December 2005 by Steve2701
Mick,
Wax jackets are just a bit out of date now. Far more comfortable and flexible / breathable jackets &trousers are easily available.
Some of the best in the UK are now made by Musto If you can find Deer-Stalkers website then that is also worth a look. Depends if you want to go the tweed, original shooting or camo route. Both are excellent from Musto. (PS. Yes, waterproof tweed)
Posted on: 29 December 2005 by Nime
Wasn't tweed always intended to be waterproof to some degree? Worn by farmers and country folk of all classes. Probably year round. Perhaps it used to be left with the sheep's natural waterproofing more intact than today? Or it built up from repeated close contact with animals?
Working country people certainly had no use for umbrellas or macs and never knew if they'd be caught in a shower or a storm. It was not expected that they would shelter "while it went off". Life and work went on regardless of the elements.

There are an enormous range of weights of tweed cloth even today. My "The Crofters" jacket is wonderfully warm but probably twice the weight of my other Harris Tweed jackets. But I digress... Smile
Posted on: 29 December 2005 by Mick P
Chaps

Yes the wax cotton is a bit old fashioned but the newer ones seem less greasy. Also they are warm, almost indestructable and seem to improve with age.

On the other hand, the modern materials do seem to be a big improvement. Being machine washable is a big bonus.

Belstaff is more aimed at the motorcyclist.

I may well end up buying a wax cotton for the shoots where to be frank, wax cottons seem to be a requirement and also a Gore-tex for walking.

Regards

Mick