Twentieth Century Chamber Music
Posted by: herm on 13 October 2002
Darius Milhaud
Complete String Quartets
For the past few weeks I have been listening to Milhaud's String Quartets, and I have to say they have been growing upon me in a way I had not expected.
Darius Milhaud (1892 - 1974) was one of the Groupe des Six composers (like Francis Poulenc and Eric Satie) and an unusually prolific one, with a catalogue comprising 450 pieces. He wrote 18 string quartets, which now have been recorded by the Paris Quartet (Quator Parisii) for the indispensable Naïve label. The booklet says this ensemble played the Milhaud Fourth Quartet for the first time in 1984, with Milhaud's widow Madeleine in the audience, and they made a vow to her to record the entire oeuvre one day.
I'm glad they did. This box contains five CDs with excellent booklets each, and from the Fifth quartet (1920) onwards this music is very special, and by the time the war years have arrived (Milhaud spent the war in the Americas), this is uniquely beautiful music.
Milhaud doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve the way Shostakovich does. It's modern music, so it doesn't necessarily have the clearly delineated vocal phrases of classical writing (though sometimes it does). It's French music (with a distinct Latin / Mediterreanean slant: Milhaud grew up in the Provence) so there's a cerebral element. The 14th and 15th quartet were composed in such a way (1948-49) that they can be played as quartets, but they can be played simultaneously, too, as an octet. Spectacular, of course, but actually I prefer the 15th as a quartet.
I really prefer his wartime quartets, say, nr 9 (1935, admittedly), through 13 (1946). Quartet nr 11, (1942) with a great, tragic slow movement, and 18 (1950) with an extraordinary slow opening movement are perhaps the best ways to begin.
It's great music to chill out to. Many of these movements, particularly the slow movements ask for a repeat to let the discourse seep into your mind one more time. The finales are invariably fun, festive, 'Latin' pieces.
OK, so this isn't Beethoven, Mozart or Shostakovich. But it is definitely in the next tier. It's just very interesting music. A couple of times I have thought, let's post about it, and then I felt, no, I want to listen some more. It's mysterious music in exactly the right way. One's intrigued, and one will never find out exactly why. And if you're really interested in twentieth century string quartets, I feel this ought to be in your collection.
I'm opening a new thread, too, to invite contributions on modern chamber music, please. StephenJohn. Jack Rubinson, Ross Blackman, Todd Arola, Nick Lees, JarrettH, what have you been up to in this department?
I'm curious
Herman
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Todd A
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Originally posted by stephenjohn:
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There's also a disc with Martinu's two [early] String Quartets on Naxos [.]
What are they like?
Quite fine, actually. The Martinu Quartet plays them on Naxos and the performances are, well, committed. (They should be!) The music on Volume 1 is generally youthful and energetic, and is well worth hearing. Volumes 2 and 3 of the complete cycle are both out in Europe now, and I will be snapping them as soon as they hit the states. The Panocha Quartet did a cycle for Supraphon that may be worth getting.
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Former member
I personally like Bartok #4 and #5.
I saw the Takacs Qrt. perform #4 last year.
I whole-heartedly recommend the Hagen Quartet complete Bartok quartets! I've always been proud to own it. Emerson's miss the point of some passages or speed through them without giving any particular emphasis and the Juilliard I didn't like either (not as much energy).
I attended the Glenn Gould Prize 2002 ceremony/concert honouring Pierre Boulez this past Sunday - it was live on CBC Radio 2 - he conducted his works too: Eclat, Memoriale, Pli Selon Pli (I, II), Messagesquisse, Derive I, Anthemes II. Interesting to hear and especially see the man live, but there's no way I'd purchase any of it. After seeing it live, I realized why I disliked it even more. It's serial music and beyond. I couldn't even describe his language; it makes serial music sound free (ok bad example hehe

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I'm a huge Messiaen fan myself....
If you want to get a grasp of his music I'd suggest
NOT listening to "Quartet for the End Time" as an introduction. It's probably his most famous work, but not his unique musical language (transcribing bird song for orchestral works and prominently piano). "Oiseaux Exotiques" is his first attempt at this new language and possibly his most popular to come out of it.
Concert a Quatre (1991-92) is another deceptive piece, though unfinished, it has been touched up upon by his wife and recorded (for cello, flute, piano and orchestra). It's a gorgeous piece. Very much his 'sound'. If you contrast the 4th mvmt of it to the Beethoven Violin Concerto 3rd mvmt, you'll notice the melody is
very similar, even the amount of notes used. Just something I noticed.

I would personally listen to, in this order:
- Turangalîla Symphony (most famous orchestral work)
- Éclairs sur l’Au-Delà (1987)
- Des Canyons aux Ètoiles (1974....quite exotic, piano emphasis[all bird song]...)
It's difficult to say after that.
- Chronochromie, Et Exspecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum, Méditations Sur Le Mystère De La Sainte Trinité still have some passages in them I find hard to digest such as 18 violin players all playing different bird song simultaneously....there is a rhythm, but it's quite subtle. There are still many other Messiaen works I've yet to pick up, this being one of them:
http://www.iclassics.com/iclassics/album.jsp?selectionId=2355Messiaen's piano music is probably my favourite. I can tell you about that on another topic.

If you are really into Debussy that would make understanding Messiaen's music a whole lot easier. Reading about it should tell you about the why some instruments are used. His music has the effect of 'stopping time', just putting you into awe.
So there's my stream-of-conscience post.

Posted on: 26 November 2002 by herm
Messiaen
Well, it's piano solo, but surely there's nothing wrong with noting that Messiaen's "Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant Jésus" is arguably the central work in Messiaen's huge catalogue. Håkan Austbø's recording was one of the first top notch Naxos issues, and, more recently, Jean-Laurent Aimard on Teldec is even better.
The Hagens are pretty good in this repertoire; their Janaçek is very exciting too (and I could of course add Veronica Hagen is one hot blonde / person, but why keep lowering the tone on my own thread?)
This weekend I saw a documentary about pianist Zoltan Kocsis teaching Bartok and Kodaly at the Liszt Academy in Budapest. If there's one thing to be said for living in Europe - just one - it's these great arts documentaries on public tv, usually international coproductions.
Kocsis, who appears to have suffered a heart attack, the way one half of his face has gotten out of whack, kept stressing the vocal nature of all this music, and talked about his admiration for Annie Fisher. He also gave an interesting illustration of Brahms's Hungarian influences, in pieces as spare as the late intermezzos - K. filling in the Hungarian band bits.
So if we're talking about small scale Bartok I'd add the Mikrokosmos piano pieces, the solo for solo violin, and the 44 duos for two violins. These do not have the complex depth of the string quartets, but they are part of the same musical world. Admittedly I saw / heard these duos performed last summer by Isabelle van Keulen with last year's Queen Elizabeth winner Baiba Skride. (Babe + cutie. Sorry folks. Can't help reality.)
Herman
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by stephenjohn
These finally arrived yesterday. I started at the beginning and listened to No 1, three times. I liked it immediately. Interesting, exciting at times, thoughtful and accessible. One of the best recommendations that I've taken up from this thread. I've not graduateted to the later, post breakdown, works yet; just listened to the odd sample to get an idea of what people are talking about. They sound like an interesting direction to try.
Crumb not arrived yet.
Messian quartet arrived earlier in the week. I enjoyed that too. I'll try the other recommendations when I've digested my recent acqisitions.
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by DJH
It's in the last few months that I've begun to enjoy Messiaen ; I think it was Herman who described his music as "too gloopy" somewhere else on this forum, and six months ago I would have concurred with that. Then I started listening to Saint Francois d'Assise, which just "clicked", with some of the tableaux (5th and 8th in particular), being just fantastic. This has led me to the Vingt Regards which must be some of the most profound piano music of the mid-twentieth century. I can't find words to describe how this music moves me.
What I still don't get, however, is all the pretentious verbiage that seems to go with the music - it's just not necessary, surely. You get the same thing with photographers - why do most fine art photographers need some puerile mission statement adorning their books or websites?
Britten's Cello Suites are also worth exploring. He moves from the influence of Bach in the first and second suites, to a very modern language - similar to that of Shostakovich's late quartets - in the third. I recommend the version of Rohan de Saram on Naive.
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by Former member
It's his bird song style. He transcribed countless bird song(s) from around the world and just about into the mid 50s all his music was consumed by this new style. It may not make sense upon listening to it, in fact, the Catalogue of Birds in only individual bird song; unlike Vingt Regards which progresses.
It's a vague explanation, but that's how you acount for some of the unsettling music.
Posted on: 01 December 2002 by herm
Hi DJH,
I agree with every word you say. If you have Messiaen's St Francois opera and the Vingt Regards for piano you have both his largest work and his most elementary piece. You have it all.
I'd say one thing that makes Messiaen's such powerful music is those "simple" birdsong episodes juxtaposed with massive harmonically complicated pieces.
I wonder if Todd has given the St Francois a stab yet, now that he's our intrepid opera explorer.
Herman
Posted on: 02 December 2002 by Wolf
I used to have M's Tarangula (sp?) but traded that CD in, it was too confusing for me. I do like my Boulez Repons. Last June at the Ojai Music Festival here in So California, Salonen conducted M's Canyons to the Stars and it was really amazing. Forget traditional melody but about three times he came to orchestral climax and it was incredibly beautiful. Turns out Boulez is conducting the next Ojai Festival next year and I'm really looking forward to it as Sat. night will be 4 pieces of his. Anthemes2, Dialogue de l'Ombre Double, Notations and Sur Incises. Has anyone heard them?
Posted on: 02 December 2002 by Former member
there's a nice recording of 'Visions de l'Amen' piano duo recorded at Sofienberg church, Norway in 1999 by a young pair Steffen Horn and Elisabeth Vath (you might be able to get it though [link=www.lindberg.no]
SteveC
Posted on: 08 December 2002 by DJH
Thanks SteveC ; been listening to the Rabinovitch/Argerich version over the weekend ; this is in the same idiom as Vingt Regards and, to my ears at least, is equally powerful.
Posted on: 09 December 2002 by Former member
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Originally posted by herm:
_Messiaen_
Well, it's piano solo, but surely there's nothing wrong with noting that Messiaen's "Vingt Regards sur l'Enfant Jésus" is arguably the central work in Messiaen's huge catalogue. Håkan Austbø's recording was one of the first top notch Naxos issues, and, more recently, Jean-Laurent Aimard on Teldec is even better...
There's also a new one (Sept 2002) on Hyperion, Steven Osborne. Has anyone heard this one or read a review -- I need to fill this gap by the sound of it. I'm falling so much for Messiaen these days.
While I'm asking, what's a good-sounding Turangalila? I find my DG 1992 version too bright, not enough body (though after years of upgrading on the hardware side, I could at least listen to it the other evening.) I just love those blocks of brass. Maybe the Previn/Double Forte?
TIA,
SteveC
Posted on: 09 December 2002 by herm
Steve,
the current hot choice for the Turangalila (not a favorite of mine btw) would be Kent Nagano and the Berlin Philharmonic on Teldec, issued about a year ago. Aimard takes the piano part, again, and Nagano is the one who recorded the St Francois opera twice. So these guys know what they're doing. I'll add a link to Amazon France with some samples, though lord knows that doesn't mean a lot with complicated sound structures like these.
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056NA1/qid=1039443663/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_0_3/402-0224733-2547349Herman
Posted on: 09 December 2002 by jayd
but I picked up a cd of "Te Deum" by Estonian composer Arvo Part (on the ECM label). I think it's stunning; makes me eager to look for some of his chamber works.
Is anyone familiar with this composer?
Posted on: 09 December 2002 by Former member
Thanks for the pointer to the Turangalila, herm - I've put it on my Amazon wish list for Xmas :-)
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Originally posted by jayd: ...but I picked up a cd of "Te Deum" by Estonian composer Arvo Part ...Is anyone familiar with this composer?
I don't know of any chamber works but you could look out for the 'ARBOS' CD also on ECM which has some smaller scale works. He has been described a 'sacred minimalist', so you could try branching in that direction if you haven't already.
SteveC
Posted on: 09 December 2002 by stephenjohn
Naxos do a disk with a number of arrangements of Fratres. Some of which are for chamber combinations. It is very enjoyable: well recorded and atmospheric.
Posted on: 10 December 2002 by Keith Mattox
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Originally posted by stephenjohn:
Naxos do a disk with a number of arrangements of Fratres. Some of which are for chamber combinations. It is very enjoyable: well recorded and atmospheric.
Telarc also has a disk of Pärt's Fratres and is well worth getting.
I too learned about Pärt through "Te Deum", which is still a favorite of mine. Also highly recommended are "Alina" (about as minimal as one can get), and "De Profundis" with Paul Hillier's Theatre of Voices.
Cheers
Keith.