Cokehead Kate

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:

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Originally posted by Andrew Randle:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
I think getting out of one's tree is a basic human right. Throughout the ages, man has sought to reduce his level of conscousness through drug use of one sort or another; it's just a facet of the tragic human condition. Provoided one doesn't drink and drive, for example, what the hell? One's body is one's own temple to do with as one bloody well pleases.

I say again, snorting cocaine up one's snout - though of questionable medical provenance - is hardly the crime of the century.

EW

Again it's funding crime syndicates. Better that people get educated and put their money to some positive use like helping AIDS orphans in Africa, rather than shoving it up their selfish noses.

Andrew

If it were legal, those crime syndicates would have no market.

Fine but the only concern is whether or not the usage, and its impact, would increase.

Andrew

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Originally posted by Shayman:
Believe it or not I was once on the 92 bus from Manchester to Hazel Grove and the 'lady' on the next seat sent her approx. 8 and 5 yr old kids down to the lower deck of the bus before smoking heroin off a piece of foil right next to us.

I had to pass the poor buggers to get off (they were still downstairs) and I honestly felt like taking them with me to the nearest Police station.

Whilst I make it no secret that I'm not a big fan of kids, I certainly wouldn't wish them any harm; this "mother" is disgusting - if she REALLY cared she'd do it in front of them so they might be ashamed and embarrassed by her, which might kickstart her into giving up. What happens when they find her dead on the carpet from smoking the wrong stuff?

BTW - on tobacco and alcohol - if they were discovered today, BOTH would be class A drugs almost immediately. Highly addictive and bad for you, but it's a good taxable drug, so...

Bloody hypocritical.

After trying so hard for 10 years in the RAF and 7 years in Saudi to become addicted to alcohol, I never was. Does it really take a certain personality type?

Tony

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Believe it or not I was once on the 92 bus from Manchester to Hazel Grove and the 'lady' on the next seat sent her approx. 8 and 5 yr old kids down to the lower deck of the bus before smoking heroin off a piece of foil right next to us. She then proceeded to inform anyone who wasn't pretending to stare blankly out of the window that she was a good mother and would never do it in front of the kids!!!

I had to pass the poor buggers to get off (they were still downstairs) and I honestly felt like taking them with me to the nearest Police station.

A bit of an aside but.....

Jonathan

Sorry, i don't believe you. now if it had been the 192 then maybe I would believe you.

Anyway, I thought it was a prerequisite that models did cocaine, whatever next, clean rock stars?

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Originally posted by Andrew Randle:
Fine but the only concern is whether or not the usage, and its impact, would increase.

WHAT impact? A few tedious headlines about not-all-that-attractive underworked overpaid models who wish to exercise their sinuses? I think we'll all live for another day!

And I won't shed too many tears if nanny finds herself out of a job.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

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Originally posted by Andrew Randle:
Fine but the only concern is whether or not the usage, and its impact, would increase.

WHAT impact? A few tedious headlines about not-all-that-attractive underworked overpaid models who wish to exercise their sinuses? I think we'll all live for another day!

And I won't shed too many tears if nanny finds herself out of a job.

EW

Impact. Talking about society in general - health problems (physical and mental), financial problems, substance addiction, NHS bills, loss of productivity and self development, etc.

Andrew

I'm given to understand that both cocaine and ecstasy are very effective apetite-supressants (amongst their other "qualities"). Indeed I think that's what MDMA (ecstasy) was initially developed for and marketed as.

Hardly surprising in a world of stick-thin, ludicrously overpaid "super" models, therefore, that they're all furiously hoovering away.

Perhaps society need take some of the blame...

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
deane

Your attitude is common to those who become hysterical at the very thought of people taking "drugs". The belief that all self control will be lost and the whole world will descend into some drug fuelled lethargy.

Conveniently overlooking the fact that alcohol is itself a very addictive substance which vast numbers of people use sensibly and in moderation.

If I get hysterical you'll need to slap me, Nigel

It was suggested that were heroin legalised many problems would be solved. Well, I'm sorry but I can't take any but a one-eyed view on this topic because I know what that that particular class of drug does to people and communities. I've seen it change beautiful young women into prostitutes in a space of six months; honest people into theives and fraudsters. I'm all too intimately aware of the cost of alcoholism too, and its effect on families. Ask any cop who works a city on late nights what they spend their time policing and they will tell you - alcohol related violence.

But opiates are different. They are evil - and there are very few things to which I attach that particular word. But I know because I've seen it close up. It isn't a theory for me.

How could things get worse for chronically alcoholic homeless old men in Melbourne? Cheap, high quality heroin hitting the streets made their lives worse. Around the turn of the century (1998-99) heroin became so cheap that it was an easier habit to support and the homeless old men shifted to that drug to their everlasting detriment.

Deane

It's all very well to say these drugs are evil and should therefore be prohibited. I don't think any of us are suggesting that they aren't harmful and dangerous. The point is that a strategy of prohibition (employed in various forms throughout the world) has comprehensively failed to address the problem anywhere.

As I said above, drug addiction is a medical and social problem. It should be dealt with as such. Criminalising it is simply a colossal waste of time and money, not to mention the fact that it doesn't help anyone.


regards,

Tam

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Originally posted by Deane F:
How could things get worse for chronically alcoholic homeless old men in Melbourne? Cheap, high quality heroin hitting the streets made their lives worse. Around the turn of the century (1998-99) heroin became so cheap that it was an easier habit to support and the homeless old men shifted to that drug to their everlasting detriment.

The world is a shithole. And that's all there is to it.

Imagine the misery of these poor homeless men if they had to endure the full consciousness of their condution as a direct result of being unable to obliterate it with drugs! For the sake of pity, allow a man his poison.

Bear in mind that people get blasted for a reason: life is an extremely unpleasant experience.

EW

Mmm - decision time.

Do I drive at 100mph on a quiet motorway or snort a line of Class A drugs in a public establishment ?

Choices, choices, choices...........

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Originally posted by long-time-dead:
Mmm - decision time.

Do I drive at 100mph on a quiet motorway or snort a line of Class A drugs in a public establishment ?

Choices, choices, choices...........

Well, sounds like you could get your photograph taken doing both but at least with the second option you might get laid...

From todays Popbitch

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>> Moss on the cross <<
Model crucified for enjoying herself

Now that the world's worst-kept secret has
finally made it on to the front of the tabloids
- thin model likes drugs and sex - everyone is
queuing up to have a go at Kate Moss.

Even her rivals' model agencies have been getting
in on the act, writing letters to the likes of
Chanel and Rimmel, pretending to be irate
customers, and trying to get her dropped because
they are sick of her getting all the big
contracts and their models getting none.

But leading the anti-Moss charge are, of course,
the newspapers, who are ecstatic about the
opportunity to put a circulation-friendly
beautiful woman on the cover while
sanctimoniously attacking her for taking
drugs and having sex.

What scandal will they reveal next? Here's
the Popbitch sweepstakes:

Kate-Jefferson-Jude-Sadie foursomes 4-1
The Jude Law fathering baby rumour 7-1
Kate and Donna Elastica's lesbian sex
escapades in the Canaries 12-1
A Jade Jagger fisting incident - 6-1

Nigel

Nigel

Possibly the first time the word "fisting" has been posted on the Naim Forum. Should we thank you?

Deane

Possibly Music from DJ Catch not.

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Originally posted by Deane F:
Nigel

Possibly the first time the word "fisting" has been posted on the Naim Forum. Should we thank you?

Deane

I'm sure it was used before by a dyslexic "looking" through his record collection ..........

So, Tam, if we're not there in force, why don't we just get a couple of squadrons of Harriers to go in and blitz the poppy fields? Couldn't be difficult.

Flick supply and demand: that'd make a fr*gging big hole in the supply chain. And I, for one, wouldn't give a flick for the "farmers" growing it, nor for the Government which condones it.

Graham

PS If La Moss needs somewhere to escape the press, and she promises not to smoke, she can camp out here.

If every there was an obvious reminder of the side effects of coke...

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Originally posted by graham55:
So, Tam, if we're not there in force, why don't we just get a couple of squadrons of Harriers to go in and blitz the poppy fields? Couldn't be difficult.

Because that doesn't work well enough. The columbian government has been trying that with limited success.


regards,

Tam

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Originally posted by Tam:
The point is that a strategy of prohibition (employed in various forms throughout the world) has comprehensively failed to address the problem anywhere.

Laws don't change facts - just like giving people money doesn't solve poverty.

Why is it that a great many people prefer the everyday misery of drug addiction over the everyday misery of life in the "real" world?

Why do we tolerate a society that has margins?

I think you're missing the point Deane. It is the very criminalisation of drugs that is an acceptance of those 'margins'. The point of legalisation would be precisely to help such people.

I want the situation (and the lot of people who suffer from drugs) improved. The only way to do that is for society to grow up and to treat drug addiction as the medical condition that it is and not to criminalise it. To put money into treating addicts instead of wasting it locking them away.

You say laws don't change facts, but that isn't the case. Here, the laws preserve the status quo and act as a barrier against positive change.


regards,

Tam

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Sorry, i don't believe you. now if it had been the 192 then maybe I would believe you

Well spotted greeny!

My Dad was a conductor on the 192 in the 50's/60's too so I've no excuse at getting that one wrong!!! He still has the rotating destination boards and ticket machine in his house as well.

Jonathan

Deane

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If I get hysterical you'll need to slap me, Nigel

Can we do it Airplane style and form a queue?

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It was suggested that were heroin legalised many problems would be solved. Well, I'm sorry but I can't take any but a one-eyed view on this topic because I know what that that particular class of drug does to people and communities. I've seen it change beautiful young women into prostitutes in a space of six months; honest people into theives and fraudsters.

But much of that is because of the very high cost of drugs. If a £100 a day habit cost £10 resorting to crime would be far less of an issue.

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I'm all too intimately aware of the cost of alcoholism too, and its effect on families. Ask any cop who works a city on late nights what they spend their time policing and they will tell you - alcohol related violence.

Drug users tend to be passive (mostly).

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But opiates are different. They are evil - and there are very few things to which I attach that particular word. But I know because I've seen it close up. It isn't a theory for me.

But that is in the context of proscription and consequent criminal involvement.

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How could things get worse for chronically alcoholic homeless old men in Melbourne? Cheap, high quality heroin hitting the streets made their lives worse. Around the turn of the century (1998-99) heroin became so cheap that it was an easier habit to support and the homeless old men shifted to that drug to their everlasting detriment.

People who abuse alcohol will abuse anything. Heroin is probably less harmful physically than booze.

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Originally posted by SWP:
If every there was an obvious reminder of the side effects of coke...

I'd seen "mononostril" before - but never while her nose was PURPLE. Grim indeed. You'd have to do a LOT more than Kate to get there though of course.

BTW - I thought it was speed (can never remember the proper name) that was first invented as a slimming aid/antidepressant? Wasn't MDMA some kind of truth serum gone wrong?

Nigel

Can we do it Airplane style and form a queue?

Of course. But Nigel, if it were just you and me I could wear makeup...

But much of that is because of the very high cost of drugs. If a £100 a day habit cost £10 resorting to crime would be far less of an issue.

A 100 pound (I have no idea how to get a pound symbol on me puter) a day habit would be a thousand pound a day habit if the addict could afford it - Kurt Cobain often ran out of room in syringes.

Drug users tend to be passive (mostly).

Don't you mean drug users who are not in withdrawal? Addicts don't run their lives or habits in an organised way. What makes you think that an organised and legal supply will create an organised and legal junkie?

People who abuse alcohol will abuse anything. Heroin is probably less harmful physically than booze.

Absolutely pure heroin when it is properly prepared, filtered and injected has no harmful effect on the body. It is the safest drug of any of the drugs of abuse if administered this way and in dosages within the tolerance of the user. But a lethal dose can be an anomalous event. Plenty of people have died after injecting their usual dose.

Deane