platine verdier experience with naim?

No, but I've seen and heard one. A very fine TT indeed!

Peter

Hy peter!
did it do the prat thing?
o.j.

Hi,

My experience is that PRaT is attributable more to naim amps and speakers than source. I tried a cheap sony DVD player thru my 6 packs DBLS and all the PRaT is still there. Of course the experience is more 2-D when compared with the CDSII.

david

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Originally posted by o.j.:
Hy peter!
did it do the prat thing?
o.j.

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I hesitate to call it that, but it had a presentation that sounded to my ears, very natural and unforced. The rest of the system was some exotic valve amplification at the "maison de l'Audiophile' in Paris, and through some pretty big horn type speakers. The music was Slim & Slam, i.e. fifties small group jazz, I never heard anything sounding more real. Arm and cartridge, SME 3012 + Denon 103D, it's what M. Verdier, himself, uses. A mate of mine is currently drooling in anticipation of buying one.

Peter

I have been using a Platine Verdier for over 10 years, with an Aro for some of the time. The only Naim amp I heard it with was a Nait 2.

What exactly do you want know? If you wonder if the Verdier does PRaT, the answer is YES!!!

A Verdier is a curious thing; it has a high mass platter, which seems to give music a rock-solid foundation and rhythm, but it is also a suspended design. It doesn't at all sound slow or stolid as some suspension-less high-mass turntables seem to sound.

You may be aware that there is also a Nouvelle Platine Verdier, which I am currently using. If you listen to classical music predominantly, get the Platine Verdier. If your musical diet is varied, get the Nouvelle Platine Verdier, which seems to trade a smidgen of bass extension for even better PRaT.

hy Markus!had a new bought platine Verdier for two years also with 3012 and denon 103.
Went later on for kuzma uni pivot arm (imo better, and micro benz cartridges).
never was content.
bought than the small kuzma turntable(better)
and have now p3 rega (very content).As said before by peter maybe there is asynergy with horn speakers (inever had)

o.j., what's the rest of your system?

Greetings Markus,

You never told me you used a Verdier. I saw a picture of one once with a Aro and Prefix. What PS do you use? I'd quite like to hear one, I heard one once with some SME arm and despite that I thought it to be very decent.

regards

Dev

Dev,

if you had paid attention to my scribblings here and on PFM, you could of known about my TT preference long ago. Shame on you .

What do you mean, what PS am I using? The Verdier turntables come with a separate motor which also includes a power supply for the motor.

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Originally posted by Markus Sauer:
Dev,

if you had paid attention to my scribblings here and on PFM, you could of known about my TT preference long ago. Shame on you .

What do you mean, what PS am I using? The Verdier turntables come with a separate motor which also includes a power supply for the motor.

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Sorry Markus, the Vodka is on me when you next visit London (and I do expect a visit with Thomas K this year you know -- I'll even intriduce you to my trendy lefty architecty munichy german mates). Would you say the Verdier is more like the SPU than a Lyra if you know what I mean? i.e more lush and majestic than a CD player. regards,

Dev,

I once had a CDS 2 on loan, which I liked very much better than a Linn CD 12. If you're familiar with the difference between those two CD players, then (attention: anoraky geek apples-and oranges comparison coming up) imagine the Verdier sounding at least twice as far away from the CD 12 as the CDS 2 tonally.

The Verdier is not lush at all, i.e. there's nothing soft, rounded or vague about its sound. Majestic it can most certainly sound. A lot depends on the ancillaries (stands, arm, cart), which is as it should be.

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Originally posted by o.j.:
hy Markus!had a new bought platine Verdier for two years also with 3012 and denon 103.

and have now p3 rega (very content).

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BLIMEY!! Really? Just curious as I use a P3 and have never got on with Linn LP12 sound, though Michell Gyro/Orbe is nice. Just wandering if there's something in the compromises of the P3 that makes certain types of music sound "good enough" to not be bothered with upgrades? Certainly, an Orbe is quieter than my P3, but musically better? A little perhaps. More refined? Certainly.

I tried my P3 (second hand) in a system that also had an LP12. The LP12 was 10x the Rega's new price, but I still preferred the Rega.

Odd this hobby, isn't it??

I'd love to hear a Platine though - they look amazing...

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Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
Just curious as I use a P3 and have never got on with Linn LP12 sound,
I tried my P3 (second hand) in a system that also had an LP12. The LP12 was 10x the Rega's new price, but I still preferred the Rega.

Odd this hobby, isn't it??

I'd love to hear a Platine though - they look amazing...

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La Platine is something of a legend, La nouvelle Platine simplifies the engineering, using an oil bath instead of magnetic levitation. la Platine takes about twice as much space as a standard brit sized turntable. La Nouvelle is more manageable. At todays prices I believe there is 'licensed' Nouvelle platine that costs in the neighbourhood of €3000. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It's good to see people of here talking about real TTs instead of rinky dink LP12s. Although in all honesty I consider the planar three a toy table, I've had two of them, I like them but i've never been fully satisfied.

Peter

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Originally posted by Peter Stockwell:
It's good to see people of here talking about real TTs instead of rinky dink LP12s. Although in all honesty I consider the planar three a toy table, I've had two of them, I like them but i've never been fully satisfied.

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Fair play the P3 still trounces my CD5 any day of the week though - and at a third the price (including cart/Flutterbuster) that's something! I'd like to hear a P9 in my system though...

It does make a change to have a convo about something other than an LP12 though - you're right. I've never got on with them. I dunno why - I just don't get them at all. Plus they can be hard to use due to the wobbliness of the design; my mate's Orbe is easier to use than his old LP12, but even the Orbe is scary to use when you're used to a non-suspended design....

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Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.

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Originally posted by Markus Sauer:
o.j., what's the rest of your system?

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Hy Markus!at this time i had jeff rowland gear
with Thiel 1.5 using different phono stages from jeff rowland,to omtec antares and fm122(not so bad),lukaschek pp1,cartridges where micro benz glider low, denon 103 ,mc gold and and an ortofon.(ithink mc 5)
tried everything with this turntable but presentation was always majestetic and seemed therefore slow to my ear. Maybe Unforced is the right word but i would better say not involving.
oj

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:

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Originally posted by o.j.:
hy Markus!had a new bought platine Verdier for two years also with 3012 and denon 103.

and have now p3 rega (very content).

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BLIMEY!! Really? Just curious as I use a P3 and have never got on with Linn LP12 sound, though Michell Gyro/Orbe is nice. Just wandering if there's something in the compromises of the P3 that makes certain types of music sound "good enough" to not be bothered with upgrades? Certainly, an Orbe is quieter than my P3, but musically better? A little perhaps. More refined? Certainly.

I tried my P3 (second hand) in a system that also had an LP12. The LP12 was 10x the Rega's new price, but I still preferred the Rega.

Odd this hobby, isn't it??

I'd love to hear a Platine though - they look amazing...

__________________________
Make your choice, adventurous Stranger;
Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.

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Hy Domfjbrown! this are exactly the points:Musically better? and ...something of the compromises makes this turntable to sound
good enough. Have read all pages of the discussion of the other forum abuot black colur turntable and Ninja.
my question to you as i cannot remember:
you have a planar3 or a p3 or planar3 with new motor kit?
o.j.

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Originally posted by Peter Stockwell:

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
Just curious as I use a P3 and have never got on with Linn LP12 sound,
I tried my P3 (second hand) in a system that also had an LP12. The LP12 was 10x the Rega's new price, but I still preferred the Rega.

Odd this hobby, isn't it??

I'd love to hear a Platine though - they look amazing...

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La Platine is something of a legend, La nouvelle Platine simplifies the engineering, using an oil bath instead of magnetic levitation. la Platine takes about twice as much space as a standard brit sized turntable. La Nouvelle is more manageable. At todays prices I believe there is 'licensed' Nouvelle platine that costs in the neighbourhood of €3000. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It's good to see people of here talking about real TTs instead of rinky dink LP12s. Although in all honesty I consider the planar three a toy table, I've had two of them, I like them but i've never been fully satisfied.

Peter

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Hy peter!ido not agree that the nouvelle platine is simplyfiing the engineering .This is quite another ingeneering as puting the powered wheels from a car from rear to front.
there was only one special thing in consrtruction of platine Verdier.this was the very heavy plattern without vertical pressure on the bearing because of the magneticfield under the platter this made it possible to go for a very fine motor as there was not a lot power needed when Platter was turning . this magneticfield is gone with nouvelle platine.the other thing is to put such a heavy turntable on springs but this is imo no special thing,there are alot of other manufacturers that go this way.
A legend? of course and a very expensive one.

But compare it to legend of lp 12:
there are a lot of people who bought Lp 12.
do not know if it is rinky dinky.
but i cant see and could not hear that a Verdier is less rinky dinky than a lp12 or a rega and you must also admit that these turntables have different Prestige out of their price.
are you sure a rolex is better working than a swatch?
Or a harley is better than a yamaha?



There are only a few People who can afford and buy these things and only percents of these people
will tell you the truth of their experiences not being afraid of loosing their faces.
O.J.

O.J.

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but i cant see and could not hear that a Verdier is less rinky dinky than a lp12 or a rega and you must also admit that these turntables have different Prestige out of their price.
are you sure a rolex is better working than a swatch?

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Well it's true that I've never spent considerable time with a Verdier. I notice that you speak of 'unforced' as a characteristic in another post. That sounds like a good description from my, admittedly, limited exposure to Verdier. I like to wind people up about LP12s, because to my ears they don't deserve their reputation, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. I wear a festina watch, how's that for class . And you are so right about losing face!

Peter

Hi o.j.,

my ex-wife had a Planar 2, and I'm pretty familiar with a friend's Planar 3. Yes, the Verdier has way more bass than a P3, but this should not make it sound slow at all. I don't really know how to reconcile your experience of the Verdier and mine. I could speculate about posible reasons, but there's no point. Sorry the Verdier didn't work out for you, as you probably lost some money on your deals.

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Originally posted by Markus Sauer:
Hi o.j.,

my ex-wife had a Planar 2, and I'm pretty familiar with a friend's Planar 3. Yes, the Verdier has way more bass than a P3, but this should not make it sound slow at all. I don't really know how to reconcile your experience of the Verdier and mine. I could speculate about posible reasons, but there's no point. Sorry the Verdier didn't work out for you, as you probably lost some money on your deals.

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hy markus!you went from a platine to a nouvelle platine. As i understand better for all different kinds of Music.
in your post before you talked about to trade in a smidgen of bass extension for a better prat. I think this could be the point.
And imo better to loose money on an expensive turntable than to stay unlucky because of the feeling there is something outside that could fit to my taste and i did not go for.
O.J.

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Originally posted by o.j.:
Hy Domfjbrown! this are exactly the points:Musically better? and ...something of the compromises makes this turntable to sound
good enough. Have read all pages of the discussion of the other forum abuot black colur turntable and Ninja.
my question to you as i cannot remember:
you have a planar3 or a p3 or planar3 with new motor kit?
o.j.

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Hi O.J. - I have a mid 80s (I think) Planar 3, with the motor upgrade and a Flutterbuster PSU on it. So 33/45 without me having to dismantle it

Peter S - so glad it's not just me who feels the LP12 is vastly over rated... They're not bad, but don't believe the hype is all I'll say....

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Make your choice, adventurous Stranger;
Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.

I have a Platine Verdier. Bought a dealer demo three years ago. With Morch DP-6 12" transcriptor arm and Lyra Helikon. It is a noticeable uptick from my CDS II, but they are close at louder volumes. Big sound, deep bass, great soundstage, Verdier is the KING of prat. Had a Rega P3 before. Verdier sounds better than everything I have heard except the Walker and maybe the original Immedia RPM. Mine is set up on Walker Valid Points, all on an Arcici suspense rack.

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Originally posted by Skip:
I have a Platine Verdier. Bought a dealer demo three years ago. With Morch DP-6 12" transcriptor arm and Lyra Helikon. It is a noticeable uptick from my CDS II, but they are close at louder volumes. Big sound, deep bass, great soundstage, Verdier is the KING of prat. Had a Rega P3 before. Verdier sounds better than everything I have heard except the Walker and maybe the original Immedia RPM. Mine is set up on Walker Valid Points, all on an Arcici suspense rack.

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hy Skip!whatis a walker?do not know this thing.And what do you mean exactly with great soundstage?wide or deep? or both.
O.J.

Lloyd Walker Audio is a US manufacturer which produces a $20,000+ air bearing tt, with all the related gear, including tonearm, phono stage, interconnects, etc., all executed to the maximum in parts quality and cost. Check out this link:

http://www.walkeraudio.com/

The Verdier "Platine", OTOH, is the big car ride without the big car price, and is a great value by comparison. The opposing magnet approach floats a masssive platter on a smallish bearing and gives the impression of an air bearing without hassle of air pumps and hoses. I have the granito base set up on Walker's Valid Points, not the Verdier footers. I too have heard that the newer base is preferable, but the granito base is very good IMHO.

Re soundstage. Big in every respect. Outside the speakers, taller than the speakers, and beyond the back wall at my house. More of every aspect than the CDSii, which is a very respectable performer and better than most turntables I have heard. If you like the CDSii, you will love the Verdier Platine.

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Originally posted by Skip:
Lloyd Walker Audio is a US manufacturer which produces a $20,000+ air bearing tt, with all the related gear, including tonearm, phono stage, interconnects, etc., all executed to the maximum in parts quality and cost. Check out this link:

http://www.walkeraudio.com/

The Verdier "Platine", OTOH, is the big car ride without the big car price, and is a great value by comparison. The opposing magnet approach floats a masssive platter on a smallish bearing and gives the impression of an air bearing without hassle of air pumps and hoses. I have the granito base set up on Walker's Valid Points, not the Verdier footers. I too have heard that the newer base is preferable, but the granito base is very good IMHO.

Re soundstage. Big in every respect. Outside the speakers, taller than the speakers, and beyond the back wall at my house. More of every aspect than the CDSii, which is a very respectable performer and better than most turntables I have heard. If you like the CDSii, you will love the Verdier Platine.

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Hy Skip !thank you for the walker link.
I had first a granite based verdier and bought then the newer one (i thik its out of something similar to acryl,but i do not know.They sounded very similar.As i understand
you play the verdier without the ball in the
bearing.I played it with and without ball and
it seemed to me sound was better with ball at higher Volumes.But i did not try it with those valid points ,my verdier had the original spring feet.soundstage was bigger in all directions and really Majestic.At this time i had really round earth equipment(jeff rowland,Thiel).But i tried also with other more
flat earth speakers and i came to the conclusion that verdier is a little bit slow in the deep bass.(Maybe the reason is Verdier is playing deeper bass lines than you can hear on most other Turntables and therefore they sound faster in compare
O.J.