platine verdier experience with naim?

Does anyone have any idea how the SME 20 compares with the above mentioned turntables?
Thanks,
Jerry

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Originally posted by audiogoose:
Does anyone have any idea how the SME 20 compares with the above mentioned turntables?
Thanks,
Jerry

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Hy jerry!I have not heared SME 20
in my system but i have heard it and for me it seemed to sound not so weighty in bass as platine verdier but it was very neutral in a positive way. It was a little bit similar to an audiomecca roma (which i had wit sme4 arm and ortofon supreme)
I heard sme Turntable with an ortofon cartridge and with my own phonostage and therfore i dare to compare the sound.
O.J.

"I played it with and without ball and
it seemed to me sound was better with ball at higher Volumes.But i did not try it with those valid points ,my verdier had the original spring feet.soundstage was bigger in all directions and really Majestic."

I am not familiar with the ball-no ball option.

However mine is set up, this Verdier is the equal of the CDSii in bass I think.

I have listened to the SME 10 and 20 at the Analog Room in San Jose, and I have much respect for the store owner, Brian Hartsell. The Verdier is comparable in price to the 20, but I prefer it because the Verdier sound is more "majestic", to use the OJ term. I am happy so far and I hope this is my last turntable.

I like the Verdier a little better with ball. It gives a little extra extension and definition to the bass.

For those not familar with the Platine Verdier: The platter is suspended on magnets, so the platter floats in the horizontal plane. In the vertical plane, it is fixated by the axis.

As the bearing is inverted, one can put a steel or ceramic ball bearing into a cavity on top of the bearing axis. The bearing can be adjusted so that just a little weight, not more than a few hundred grams (or a few dozen ounces in that funny money some of you prefer), is handled by this ball bearing instad of the magnets. This gives vibrations from the platter an additional path for getting away from the record and out of the platter (which weighs about 20 kgs on its own IIRC, definitely too much for normal thrust plates).

The Verdier is an excellent last turntable. With the exception of o.j., I've yet to hear of anyone who'd want to go back to a Linn/Xerxes class turntable from a Verdier, let alone a Rega P3. The freedom of colouration, the stability of the sound and the sheer fun it transmits are quite addictive.

One of the things to be watched is the support: a Verdier "reads" its support just as effectively as a Linn, for example. I once made the mistake of putting mine in a sandbox (in an attempt to overcome some footfall problems) and got serious boredom. On Mana, I got excitement, at the expense of a little midrange beauty. I'm currently using a very special wood construction, made of wood that is also used foru building musical instruments, and I get lots of midrange beauty at the expense of a little excitement.

I'd also second Skip's comment that the Verdier is the king of PRaT. Not just in the sense of simplistic, four to the bar heads-down boogie, although that, too, is handled very well, but in the resolution of tiny changes in tempo.

[This message was edited by Markus Sauer on TUESDAY 17 February 2004 at 09:15.]

You said "One of the things to be watched is the support: a Verdier "reads" its support just as effectively as a Linn, for example. I once made the mistake of putting mine in a sandbox (in an attempt to overcome some footfall problems) and got serious boredom. On Mana, I got excitement, at the expense of a little midrange beauty. I'm currently using a very special wood construction, made of wood that is also used foru building musical instruments, and I get lots of midrange beauty at the expense of a little excitement."

Thanks Markus. Based on the times I have seen your name in print, you are more of an expert than I, but my dealer recommended the Walker Valid Points rather than the Verdier spring feet for precisely this reason. I use the Arcici Suspense Rack with the air bladders, because otherwise my set up has no suspension but the brass-lead Walker points.

I will double check the ball bearing setting on mine. Thanks. I had no idea.

Anybody had experience of a teres turntable? I am put off by all of the rave comments on the web!

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Originally posted by Skip:
You said "One of the things to be watched is the support: a Verdier "reads" its support just as effectively as a Linn, for example. I once made the mistake of putting mine in a sandbox (in an attempt to overcome some footfall problems) and got serious boredom. On Mana, I got excitement, at the expense of a little midrange beauty. I'm currently using a very special wood construction, made of wood that is also used foru building musical instruments, and I get lots of midrange beauty at the expense of a little excitement."

Thanks Markus. Based on the times I have seen your name in print, you are more of an expert than I, but my dealer recommended the Walker Valid Points rather than the Verdier spring feet for precisely this reason. I use the Arcici Suspense Rack with the air bladders, because otherwise my set up has no suspension but the brass-lead Walker points.

I will double check the ball bearing setting on mine. Thanks. I had no idea.

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Hy Markus, hy skip! Now we come nearer to the point.Skip uses special bearing feet,And Markus
tried Mana later on a wooden construction.And imo a verdier without original feet is Quite another construction.I had with platine Verdier
always the feeling i go for something loosing
another thing.(excitement,midrange beauty,tonal
coloration) and a lot questions always remained for me:which arm, which Table to put on,sandbox or wallshelf,which cartridge,which string and so on.
Today i laugh about an turntable costing more than 7000 us dollar without arm,and the endless discussion about its sourroundings.
I know nothing about this walker but i see
walker is selling a whole mechanical package(Turntable,arm,Table support,)
so does rega(with their wallshelf)
so does Roksan (sell also a tablesupport)
similar Lp 12 (it,s said always an easy rigid,
table or a wall shelf)
i often wondered about verdier concerning this.
Also wondered about the strings.Originally out of the box there are two Strings,a round rubber
string and a piece of french silk for teeth.
I tried them both and this meant two totally
different Turntable sounds.Looking back i think Verdier is a product to give the customer the possibility
to be creative in Turntable construction,and sounddesign.For sure i am also a tweaker allways trying to get the best out of my system,and like many others in this forum i am looking for best way of music reproduction,plugging together the components available on the market.But in my hifi hobby i feel neither as a music producer nor as an turntable constructor (until now).This is the reason why i sold my verdier,maybe not knewing its whole soundpotential.
O.J.(self named Verdier superexpert , never sad looking back and allways thinking the best turntables will come in the future.) Bristol show?

the best musi

o.j., did you buy your Verdier from a dealer? He should have helped you getting the best out of the 'table.

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Originally posted by Markus Sauer:
o.j., did you buy your Verdier from a dealer? He should have helped you getting the best out of the 'table.

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Yes i did it was perfect
original and new in the Box (three boxes)paper with verdier laboratories sign around the feet.
it was the newest Model i think it was year 2000,i am sure it was in a perfect condition
and i know two other people in my surrounding that have the same modell.the new one, not the
granit based one.Imo mine was perfect concerning all technical and mechanical things.
I sold it to a guy with shindo and audionote gear and as this was a very expensive Turntable
he inspected all very critical befor he bought
the Verdier from me.I remember that there was
a dealer in Vienna who damped the platter with
a kind of tape on the side wall on his verdier
and he also buildet a kind of Zarge out of wood. (i tried the tape not the Zarge.)
An other Guy( Heavy Verdier Expert)recommended
to me to play with casette Tape string.
Therefore i made a konvex motorpulli out of steel (so the tape was allways centrated on this pully not going up or down)
i also was very intrested in discussion about
verdier and saw keith aschenbrenners Demos on
several hifi shows.
I tried also original Verdier mat and i tried to damp
the table with a transrotor belt.So what is the best to bring out of this table?there are a lot of several ways and Imo there is no best.
As i know the most gone way by Verdier users is sme 3012(itried and did not like) with denon103.I also used kuzma unipivot arm and alot of other arms and cartridges,and as said before, many different phonostages.

O.J.

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Originally posted by reductionist:
Anybody had experience of a http://www.teresaudio.com/ turntable? I am put off by all of the rave comments on the web!

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I have heard good things about Teres ("Great value" according to Phil Seig in the last edition of Listener) . Also bad ("A developmental product which has not seen its final iteration" according to a number of dealers.) You should google Teres, Redpoint, and Galibier Designs, all lineal descendents of the original Teres team I think. (Don't forget Eurolab, too, at Verdier's former distributor Audio Advancements) There seem to be so many iterations of Teres platter types that it is hard to say what you will wind up with. According to Phil, the Maxon motor is an improvement over the Verdier. And the tape-capstan instead of the thread-pulley drive system is said to be a huge improvement over the Verdier, too. Price is cheaper than Verdier, too, provided you get the right platter on the first try. So if you are adventurous with an appetite for a DIY project instead of a completed product like the Verdier, it is probably worth a shot. Thom Mackris of Galibier seems like a good guy from what I know. The Phil Seig comments were tending positive, but Listener folded and I never read the whole story. Good luck. (I can find you specific links if you have no luck with google)