First impressions of a CDX2

Posted by: timster on 27 May 2003

First post, so here goes (system: CDX2, 112+FC2, 250, fraim, ProAc Response SC1.) After finally getting my sweaty paws on my bonus, I decide that rather than doing something practical like paying down some of my mortgage, I'll replace my CD5 with a CDX2. Now, I have just been _extremely_ happy with the CD5 (+FC2), and as many others on this forum have written, it is simply ace, period. Naturally, more of the same would be just the ticket! So, last Saturday I drop off my CD5 and pick up my brand spanking new CDX2. Get home, plonk it on the fraim, switch on and start listening.

First impression is that it’s quite different. Indeed Roll Eyes. I characterize it as "less bright" (somewhere else it was referred to as "darker") and as a consequence I found I would crank the volume up more. I found that complex (?) passages could be more easily followed because of better separation between the layers of music. For example, listening to Coldplay's
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Clocks
, the bass line was not only clearly separated, but also had better definition, more weight I suppose. I also heard improvements in micro dynamics where they were better resolved, more fleshed out. As an example, listening to
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Way to Blue
by Nick Drake, besides the cello, I clearly heard a double bass (Jeez, don't anyone say that there wasn't one, otherwise this will mean all this is simply in my head. You've been had my boy!) Anyway, I would say that higher volumes could be achieved simply because of a reduction in what I perceive as glare and grunge (muddled micro dynamics that the kit can't figure out?) Now, when I first listened to a CDX (not a CDX2) at the dealer, I felt that the CDX did not improve where vocals were concerned, and I find the same is true with my CDX2 at home, although it is too early to say for sure. Definitely no worse, but no better. Classical music will be next, should be interesting. Finally, the one aspect that I am a little concerned with is that I have this strange feeling that perhaps some of the PR&T may have got lost. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this phenomenon?

I'm looking forward to the next month as it burns in and hopefully the *missing* PR&T will resurface, or I'll be forever chiding myself for not staying with what I felt was a supremely balanced system that I loved. I would definitely say that the CD5 + psu is an incredible combination. It's strange, I changed all my equipment (except speakers) to naim over the last 12-18 months and arrived with a system that I was utterly satisfied with. That was what I wanted to achieve when I set out on this journey. Sure, the bigger and more expensive kit sounded better, but I was just as happy with what I had. Before I bought the CDX2, I was concerned that somehow I might upset the balance of the system I'd arrived at, and now I'm worried that I may have just gone and done this Confused. Instead of staying happily off the upgrading bandwagon, I feel maybe that I've just gone and got aboard again, and I definitely don't want to do that (way toooo expensive!)

That's it. I hope I didn't ramble too much Smile.


N.B. The 5 series definitely does have a brighter naim logo than the new reference kit. Maybe that's a reflection of their performance too...
Posted on: 29 May 2003 by Greg Beatty
In the states, the current retail prices are:

CDX2 $4,950

CD5 $2,300 + HiCap $1,700 = CD5Hi $4,000

So...

...if buying new, would you pay the extra $950 (and presumably LESS of a difference if buying second hand) for deeper, more tunefull bass and better timbres throughout the frequency range? I suspect many people would, and while its a shame the CDX2 isn't more musical, its nice that those of us stuck down in CD5 land have such a musical option available.

- GregB

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Posted on: 29 May 2003 by timster
Greg, Naimed-In-NY,
I was happy with a FC2 (as it powers my 112) so I wouldn't necessarily say hicap is the de facto choice with a CD5. My concern is that I feel they're maybe (is) a loss of synergy in my system (read CDX2) and I don't care that there is more tuneful bass, if that is what the cost is (was) to achieve it. Here's my advice - borrow a fully burnt-in CDX2 from your dealer for at least one week. Take it back and _wait_ one month. Now, if you still feel it's worth it, then buy it (I did not have this opportunity as the dealer only had a CDX.) My point is that I loved my system with a CD5 and in hindsight maybe I should have stuck with it. My problem is that when I have some spare cash that is burning a hole in my pocket, I often let my head rule my heart, and I cannot seem to break that pattern (childhood thing I suppose.) Anyway, I will be sticking with the CDX2 for the time being to give it a fair chance to show its worth.
tim
Posted on: 29 May 2003 by the other nickc
For what it's worth...
I demo-ed a bare CD5 against a bare CDX2 and the bare CDX2 completely blew it away. Far me a far more exciting and engaging sound. Didn't do the hicap test though...
Posted on: 29 May 2003 by Bob Shedlock
Greg - If buying new, as I stated earlier, one MAY be better served w/ a CDX2 if they are using that as an entry point.

If upgrading, I don't know about that.

Used hi's are relatively easy to find and if one wanted to by a new CD5 because it is an electro mechanical device, and a used hi because of Naim's sterling service rep., the price difference is a no brainer, 3k or less v 5K ----. And for those of you "stuck" in CD5 land, really you aren't that far off, performance wise, and certainly have more money.
Posted on: 29 May 2003 by Greg Beatty
Hadn't thought of new CDk/Used HiCap combination, but it does make sense from a VFM standpoint - figure $3,000-$3,500 for the CD5/Used-Cap combination.

I guess I'm a "New Range" kinda guy and for now the new-style Hi-Caps are really not available 2nd-hand. Even "old"-style ones are scarce in the states. There is only one listed on AudioGon (for $1,000) and it is sold.

- GregB

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Posted on: 29 May 2003 by Bob Shedlock
Yeah, the tide ebbs and flow on Hi caps, but I've gotten mine from audiogon. I guess fairly soon the ability to upgrade the casework will avail itself, and if I read earlier posts correctly, one of the largest contributions to the sonic differences is the casework/feet.

May be worth looking into for "new" range guys, if it isn't too dear a price. I'd consider it to match the rest of my stuff. It's all about the money, eh!?