Switzerland or Stevenage? You decide...

Some big bloody hills in Switzerland...

If I could, I would leave the UK in a trice! If LH wants to live in Switzerland, good luck to him.

George

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Originally posted by munch:
he is going like they all do after there first year because of TAX.

or lack thereof

If he has a smart accountant, he can even persuade them to consider him as unemployed for part if not the whole year, through lack of continuous employment.

Mind you, Ripple Records in the Old Town was a better record shop than any I have ever managed to find in Züri

Has he definitely made up his mind or is he still weighing up the pros of each?

If so this might still sway it for Stevenage.

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Originally posted by JWM:
Switzerland or Stevenage? You decide...

Where would YOU be...?

James

Switzerland

I think I could settle in Montreux
On the Lake Geneva shoreline
To make records with a mobile
And I could take my time
And if a Frank Zappa tribute band
Were at the best place around
I could go there with my flare gun
And burn the place to the ground

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Originally posted by Chillkram:
Has he definitely made up his mind or is he still weighing up the pros of each?

If so this might still sway it for Stevenage.

It was removed last week, because it constituted some kind of unfair -ism...

Interestingly, LH only made his decision to move to Switzerland after Asda withdrew this perk.

must be the only one from stevenage without two heads.

What was that Morrisey lyric about Stevenage? Never did quite figure it out.

Seems a strange decision considering the attitude of the largest political party in Switzerland towards immigrants.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6980766.stm

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6980766.stm

Interesting to read what others say about us. The whole article is basically true and well-researched, the writer should have just shut up about that BS spreaded by some obscure Jewish community, saying that the Swiss People's Party was a 'nazi' party. Nazis were/are racialist, as is the Swiss People's Party, but racists aren't necessarily nazi. Said Jewish community is just misusing the scandal for its own purpose.

It would be interesting to know Mick's comment about the black sheep poster...

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Originally posted by fatcat:
Seems a strange decision considering the attitude of the largest political party in Switzerland towards immigrants.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6980766.stm

Ah yes, but what that party does not consider a rich British racer to be an immigrant. That's a welcome asset.

An immigrant, in that party's eyes, is a Sudanese coke dealer or a Balkan lazybones living off welfare. As a matter of fact, in that party's eyes, all immigrants are drug dealers, or thiefs, or lazy, or some sort of violence factor, and are living off, exploiting and culturally tainting this unique country which the good, hard-working, honest and god-fearing people of Switzerland have been patiently building and lovingly caring for for centuries.

Edouard S.

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Ah yes, but what that party does not consider a rich British racer to be an immigrant. That's a welcome asset.

Indeed. But it's also a welcome asset for the socialists, the green party, the rightists and the centrists, as well as for all other unknown bums turning up from time to time at the national assembly.

Switzerland has always been keen on attracting rich foreigners on the shores of Lake Geneva, no matter where their money came from. Personally I do not remember even one case where Switzy refused money by someone - no matter which political party was the most strongly represented one in parliament.

A sure way to be regarded as a complete idiot regardless where you go in the world, even in the remotest locations, is to refuse money given to you. So why should our country.

Then, of course, some push that too far (banks) but such behaviour is again independent of political orientation.

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Originally posted by Cheese:
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A sure way to be regarded as a complete idiot regardless where you go in the world, even in the remotest locations, is to refuse money given to you. So why should our country.

Then, of course, some push that too far (banks) but such behaviour is again independent of political orientation.

It is also devoid of any morals when you accept blood money knowing full well it is, for one thing, or when you accept that on the one hand while wanting to turn away people in need on the other so that they do not get a piece of the cake. And that, I am sorry, is what the party we are talking about advocates, unlike those other parties you mention.

Switzerland nonetheless has a high tolerance for foreigners and a historical tradition of welcoming them, being one of the Western countries with the highest rate of foreigners. But that party is trying to kill that spirit under spurious pretenses. They are just a racist, ignorant, greedy, backwards and reactionary bunch that strive on resentment by propagating fallacies.

Edouard S.

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Originally posted by Cheese:
...the writer should have just shut up about that BS spreaded by some obscure Jewish community, saying that the Swiss People's Party was a 'nazi' party.

Untrue. The article doesn't say that at all.

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...Said Jewish community is just misusing the scandal for its own purpose.

And what purpose is that?

A political party which prints posters showing three white sheep kicking a black sheep and Muslim women accompanied by the question "Where are we living, Baden or Baghdad?" is racist.

To ROTF,

If it was not for Bheetoven's 5th Symphony we would not have 'Smoke on the Water'!

Regards

Romi

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Originally posted by 7V:
Untrue. The article doesn't say that at all.

Quote on BBC News: "Swiss Jewish groups say the symbolism of the poster, and its use of colour, is frighteningly reminiscent of Nazi propaganda." The poster was one of the Swiss People Party so this remark implies to a fair extent that the SSP is a nazi-like party.

By the way nothing on the poster itself indicates any relationship to nazi ideology either. The colour ? Everything red and white should be nazi-related then ? Liverpool is therefore a nazi football team.

Red and white are the colours of the Swiss flag and script is almost always black on posters of any kind. I am far from approving the poster, I agree that it is scandalous, but saying it is a nazi poster because of its colour is a joke.

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And what purpose is that?

Another way to get attention, what else. No individual, organisation or group is holy.

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A political party which prints posters showing three white sheep kicking a black sheep and Muslim women accompanied by the question "Where are we living, Baden or Baghdad?" is racist.

I never said the contrary did I, and I agree with you on that.

To say that a poster is 'frighteningly reminiscent of Nazi propaganda' is a long way from saying that the party that produced it is Nazi.

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Originally posted by Cheese:

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And what purpose is that?

Another way to get attention, what else. No individual, organisation or group is holy.

???

Babelfish anyone?

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Another way to get attention, what else. No individual, organisation or group is holy.

Here I meant that some Jewish groups were apparently jumping on the occasion to justify their very existence. This poster is about racism and it is indeed necessary that anti-racism organisations raise their voice (and they bloody did). Again racism is not synonymous with nazism. Well, when some Jewish groups protest here, then it's certainly not a drama, so after all, if it makes them happy, so be it.

The far more worrying bottom line is that the poster was about provocation in the first place, and it really worked, the SPP having clearly won the elections. This is of course also due to other factors but such techniques remind me of Jean-Marie Le Pen, another master of provocation (and a clear anti-Semite) who might well have inspired the SPP when it came to run an election campaign.

I found that today in our local tabloid.




Hamilton: 'Hello. I am the black sheep of F1.'
Customs officer: 'Welcome home!!'

Clarkson to Hamilton - "There are 187 countries in the world ... Switzerland ? for god's sake ? ... Belgium maybe but Switzerland ???"

Clarkson & Hamilton

Cheers
Scott
(ex Stevenage, British Aerospace 1985-92)

Link seems to be dead...

Clarkson & Hamilton again

Sorry about that - don't know why the BBC dropped it. Now it's on You tube it will be around for a while.