Reviewing the reviewer - The TW riders blow a fuse

Posted by: David Hobbs-Mallyon on 29 November 2002

With our ears still ringing from the Battle experience, there were bound to be casualties with our latest trip to our resident HiFi+ reviewer Jason “Lord Lucan” Hector just five days later. At the final furlong, Mr Lees pulled up with some excuse about a sickly spouse – rumours abound that he had run out of new CDs to play. Every cloud has a silver lining, and after a knocking back a glass of wine to get over the disappointment of not being the full complement, we put some Duke Ellington on the CD player and listened to what jazz sounds like without endless shuffling and sighing in the background.

Jason’s sistem definitely belongs in the exotic category, so will need a bit of explanation.
At the front end, Jason has probably one of the strangest CD players I have ever seen, the Micromega Duo CD2 transport and Duo Pro DAC. Like the CDS it is a top-loader, but the Perspex lid is the size of the player, half an inch thick and very heavy. Like Naim CD players it also has a puck, but this is more like the hockey variety – no chance of track skipping with this beast. In the first couple of minutes I almost trashed the player by dropping the lid down – needless to say I was kept well away from the turntable.

To appreciate the analogue side of things also requires some personality profiling – Jason is of the mad scientist persuasion, and is known to dabble in those incendiary devices know as (Paul Stephenson close your ears) Home Made Power Supplies. Anyway, the turntable is an LP12, ARO, Hectorgeddon, Prefix, HectorSuperDuperCap, with the reassuringly expensive Dynavector Te-Kiatora.

Amplification currently consists of a 32.5, another HectorSuperDuperCap and Dynavector HX75. All equipment sits on Hutter (a man of taste obviously), with Musicworks mains leads and block (OK everyone has their faults). To maintain the unusual theme, the back end of the sistem consists of the omnidirectional Shahinian Obelisks. As far as potential upgrades, Jason is very patiently waiting for the mythical Dynavector L300 preamp to go into production.

Now on to the consumer unit, mains leads, plugs and fuses……no, on second thoughts, lets not go there.

Where the sistem is near complete, the room is very much a work in progress. It certainly looked like Jason had been having good fun with a sledgehammer. What he’s been left with is a room of about 30ft, partially split about halfway with the two sections about 11 and 12ft – so quite challenging. Attempts so far to fire the Obelisks down the length of the room has lead to a horribly disjointed sound. As experiments continue, the current set-up is to fire across the 11ft dimension of the room - is that clear? What this does mean, is that we were sitting very close to the speakers – usually something I struggle with. Not so, with this sistem – the arrangement seems to work with the Obelisks, although moving the speakers into the 12ft section in time will I’m sure bring additional benefit.

On the night, the LP12 was obviously the star of the show – the sound was simply sublime. I think I’m going to have to stop listening to vinyl like this, I could develop a very expensive habit. Whilst it was a drop in performance to go to the CD player it certainly was still very listenable. One of the CDs I brought along for the evening was the Haitink/Concertgebouw Shostakovich 8 – the sistem produced one of the best renditions of a full orchestra I have ever heard. The other star of the night for me was the 32.5 – no it is not a 52, but it is certainly extremely musical and must be one of the best bargains around. As far as negatives I had my suspicions that some of the smoothness was being produced by the dreaded Musicworks. Jason assures me that they were beneficial in his previous place, but I think it would be worth investigating getting rid of these.

As for the speakers – this is one area where I’m none the wiser. One of the reasons I was keen to visit Jason’s was to hear whether these were THE speakers for me. One thing that did become clear is that they improve quite considerably with warming up. I’m certainly getting used to the sound – although you can walk round the room and still get the full picture, I was surprised to find there is a sweet spot between the speakers, which Tom managed to hog for most of the night. The Obelisks are very room and position dependent, and there was none of the disconnected bass I have heard with dealer demos of these speakers. Where the speakers continue to surprise me is in trying to predict how certain pieces would sound. Jason has quite a collection of female vocalists, and on this they obviously excel. The Shostakovich was simply astounding. On the downside, a disc I really expected to work of the Hilliard Ensemble singing a work by Perotin, just didn’t produce the hypnotic and atmospheric sound I get out of my own sistem. On balance though, they have a warmth and space that I find very addictive and easy to listen to – I would have happily listened to them all night.

So, a big thank you to Jason for letting three complete strangers into his house. A visit with the full complement will definitely be arranged when the L300 finally arrives.

There were a lot of new music purchases to be made after this night, but I’ll comment more when someone provides a track listing.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I didn't detect any big differences - difficult to tell with all the variables. I don't remember your Obs taking as long to warm up - not sure whether this relates to the new drive units.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by Paul Ranson
quote:
Leonard Cohen - Songs of love and hate - In My Secret Life, A Thousand Kisses Deep

These two are from the recent '10 new songs', but 'Songs of love and hate' is good too!

Paul
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
It is not surprising that the CD player fell “short” in comparison. Jason did a A/B dem with the Leonard Cohen which amply showed the differences.
I was pretty convinced that a CDSII would have fallen short in this system against the LP12. Would been interesting to compare directly though.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by Dave J
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Jason's sistem and was intrigued/impressed with the Dynavector/Obs combo which was very alluring, very well balanced and easy to listen to. As David commented, we could have listened all night and that's got to be the best possible commendation.

Jason's vinyl copy of Alison Krauss' New Favourite, Orange Can and David's Shostakovich were particular highlights of the evening for me and, yes, I've placed my orders already (the Shostakovich is only £4.99 at Amazon, by the way, get your orders in for Christmas).

I was impressed that the speakers worked quite so well given the constraints of the listening room - yes, he could try experimenting with positioning but they did seem pretty sweet where I was sitting.

It was also gratifying to re-confirm the superiority of vinyl. It's been a bit of an effort convincing the guys that an LP12 skins a CDS2 but Jason's Naim'ed version helped the cause enormously, not least because the Aro and Prefix gives it that Naim signature that they're used to, unlike a fully Linn'd Sondek.

As far any "constructive criticisms" I might have, I think it just boils down to individual tastes and preferences and where I would apply my compromises. I'd definitely like to hear a 52/252, simply from an increased detail point of view. Whilst I thought the 32.5 was performing admirably, certainly well above what could be expected of it, I wonder if it was suppressing some of the sparkle that might make some of the rockier stuff more purposeful. This should of course be taken in the context of someone used to an LP12/Lingo/Ekos/Arkiv/sitting on top of the drum kit (Yamaha, naturally and Zildjian cymbals) and with a Mesa Boogie amp cranked in his ear. I take on board what David says about the Musicworks kit (I'm not familiar with it) but part of the "softness" may also be down to the Aro, which is a terrific arm and I can fully understand its appeal but I feel still truncates the picture slightly. To me, this manifests itself most obviously on drum kit and cymbals. But it does sound soooo good with acoustic music and female vocals. Sod it, I'd have two LP12's with Aro and Ekos if I had the cash!

Dave
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by Goose
Nice review gents, constructive comments and all.

Glad you liked JH's sYstem.. I also believe that the 32.5 held the system back a little, but this is in aid of JH's big plan!! It's a cracking little pre that gets over the message of the music too!

David HM - did you get my e-mail ages ago? !!!or have you changed again?

Cheers
Goose
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Goose,

No I didn't get your mail - I'll send you the new address.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by Alex S.
Great reviewing as always - fancy a job at Hi-Fi+ any of you?

At last a few people are beginning to understand what a Super or Hector capped 32.5 can do. Forget the Hi-Fi baloney - it plays all the music!

Jason's turntable would murder any CD player. Hell, even mine would. Just played that Shostakovich on vinyl smile

Alex

must get round to finishing the wallpapering . . .
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Alex,

Sponsored by ESSO? - I walked up that hill. Jason was slightly bemused as to why I needed a range of asthmatic medicines on arrival.

The Eloquence version of the Shos, has something like Ambient sound. Comes across slightly odd on my system but seems to fit the Obelisks perfectly.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Well for me there were a few surprises. Vocals seem to win the day for me.

I'd not heard the Michelle Shocked - amazing to think it had been recorded on a Sony Walkman - the Obs were made for this sort of atmospheric stuff.

Kristin Hersh - was a request from me, as I like some of the Throwing Muses albums - not heard any of her solo works, and knew Jason was a fan. A must buy.

Andreas Scholl - "Folksongs & Lute Songs: The Three Ravens" - The Voice - Wonderful voice, a real surprise from Dave.

I brought along the Cinematic Orchestra as it's intrinsically good music, but I find it difficult to listen to in my system because of the overpowering bass. No differrent on Jason's system either. Maybe I should give it to Tom wink

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by herm
Sorry, Tom & David, but I have to butt in. The Barshai Shostakovich 8 is obviously no match for the one by Haitink and the Concertgebouw Orchestra. The latter is an amazing piece of musicmaking by the RCO at its stupefying best (it is after all one of the three top orchestras in the entire world / universe), Haitink at his most inspired (the funny thing is, he's always described as a Bruckner / Mahler conductor, but clearly the Shostakovich cycle for Decca is his peak achievement: this was early Eighties when most conductors had yet to discover what a great resource Shostakovich is, and as a whole his cycle has not yet been bettered by any other conductor for splendor and depth), and the sound engineers did an amazing job. We take it as a given that pre 1988 digital recording is tinny crap. And then there's these gorgeous splendid mouthwatering recordings of the 5, 6, 8 and 14th symphony - the ones with the London Phil are not as good). I believe btw the reissues are on in a series called Ovation, rather than Eloquence. I have the originals, with delightful socialist realist pictures on the cover.

Herman
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I'm quite partial to the LSO 15 as well.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by herm
Sure, I like that 15, too. It's the one I usually pick (or Sanderling's). However imagine what the Concertgebouw, with their superior forces would do with it...

Herman
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Herman,

Talk fuses and cables if you want....I think home bias is clouding your judgement.

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
Ovation disc seems like it wasengineered by a rock engineer.
The Jim Steinman remix got my vote.
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Jason's on A5 - the Dynavector mob have been pressing him for a Townshend Isolda demo, but no luck so far.

I can't find your email - could you email me?

David
Posted on: 29 November 2002 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by David Hobbs-Mallyon:
I think home bias is clouding your judgement.



Do you mean the way I prefer the Concertgebouw over the London Phil? Well, who wouldn't?

However:
1 I have a couple of LPO recordings among my favorites (Stravinsky's Orpheus with Salonen is a sure thing)
2 I prefer the Vienna to the Concertgebouw - but of course in my teens my dad lived in Vienna and spent quite some time there
2b I lived fairly close to the Cleveland for six years, too, so what's home bias in that case?

Herman
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by Alex S.
Er, Cleveland probably. Luckily I can vote for the Leningrad Phil, and my favorite Shos is with the USSR Ministry of Culture Orch and Gennadi Rozhdestvensky.

Alex
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by herm
Are you serious, Alex? (BTW I meant to say I'm happy to live within earshot of a phenomenal orchestra, rather than thinking the orchestra is so good because I happen to live near its base of operation, illustrated by the fact that I've lived close to various other great bands.)
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by Alex S.
Herm, semi-serious; not great recordings and the playing lags behind the Dutchmen but some of Gennadi R's readings are superb. I particularly like the 4th.

Alex

BTW Its a shame that the venerable Hector does not seem able to post here about how stunning his 32.5 is.
Posted on: 30 November 2002 by Steve Toy
Banning a hi-fi mag reviewer, especially one from a well-respected journal such a HF+ is shurely shome mistake; a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas, non?

Herm,

quote:
c'est le Chambre de Musique ici?


Peut-etre que c'est bien la chambre... non?

Your English shure beats mine on occasions, but not your French smile

Regards,

Steve.

It's just a pleasure to hear music as it was intended to be heard.
Posted on: 02 December 2002 by reductionist
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Toy:
Banning a hi-fi mag reviewer, especially one from a well-respected journal such a HF+ is shurely shome mistake; a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas, non?



No. Home made power supplies and claims of performance, superiority of vinyl claims, downgrading pre-amplifiers, other make power amplifier with Naim pre-amplifier, not Naim speakers, not Naim CD player, Music Works mains cables and distribution, not Naim Fraim ... it is obvious why Naim are less than impressed.

[This message was edited by reductionist on MONDAY 02 December 2002 at 09:23.]
Posted on: 02 December 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
This is why the Dynavectors do not give their best when dropped straight into a Naim sistem

....I will add Tom, that this is supposed to only be a serious issue with the HX75, not the HX1.2

David