HDX- "ripping to a NAS"

I would hope that it goes to the HDX first then after the rip or at a time decided by the user the files transferred.

In my experience ripping direct to network attached storage can be problematic. In general I have had issues with DVD which is obviously more intensive, but I certainly learned quickly, rip locally before transferring at least the way if the network pisses with you, you still have the intact rip to try moving again.

Would be interesting to know if the rips can be used by other programmes.

The rip 2 Nas, rips to the HDX first, and then transfers to the NAS once the rip is complete.

Conceptually, you have "Network Shares", which are host-scanned; from this pool, you may elevate any of these to "Music Stores", which may be prioritized (e.g., to rip discs for storage on NAS).

It will now be possible to store NO discs on the server (reducing drive noise, if audible); likewise, it is also possible to back up your network storage onto another network volume.

Music Stores are automatically attached at boot time, and music stored on these comes up under "Local Player" (rather than "Network Shares").

There are other aspects of the GUI that resemble the intermediate beta GUI for SP10 that many of you have seen on the Summer Sounds roadshow–including, for example, deletion of whole albums from the front panel, as well as an easy switch between "CD Mode" (in which the player becomes an interactive, hard-disk buffered CD player) or "Rip Mode" (standard rip-to-server functionality) which is handy for retailers.

There are other features coming, but I'll leave it to Naim to let those kittens out of the bag.

David,

Thank you for the information. Does the new software also include some bug fixes?

I've ripped a CD from the band Therapy? You should note that the question mark (?) is part of the band name.

When playing the CD through the HDX, I've noticed that the question mark was replaced by a minus sign (-). I started the DTC to change it back to a question mark, but it seems not possible. I've had some similar experience with an album containing an ":" (is it called a relation sign in English?) in the album title.

Regards,
Michel

What about the possibility to add cover art manually via the DTC??

Regards,
Michel

please read forum post HDX software upgrade, this includes new features list - the release also includes numerous bug fixes

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Originally posted by Klout10:
David,

Thank you for the information. Does the new software also include some bug fixes?

I've ripped a CD from the band Therapy? You should note that the question mark (?) is part of the band name.

When playing the CD through the HDX, I've noticed that the question mark was replaced by a minus sign (-). I started the DTC to change it back to a question mark, but it seems not possible. I've had some similar experience with an album containing an ":" (is it called a relation sign in English?) in the album title.

This is an operating system issue, methinks. Not all of the IT world is Unicode-clean....

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Originally posted by gary1 (US):
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Is the CD ripped "directly" to the NAS?

or

Is the CD ripped to the HDX and then the file transferred intact to the NAS with all of the data, metadata etc...?

It will be ripped to the HDX internally, then if the user has specified a network store as a destination, it will automatically transfer it to that location, with associated folder.jpg and cddb/amg files.

A priority system can be setup to allow you to select primary, secondary, tertiary storage etc devices.

If the unit is "full", there is a cache to make sure that there is enough room for a disc worth of storage in case the storage medium is offline. Otherwise the disc will be ejected before ripping commences.

I notice someone from Naim offering some information. Perhaps we could have more input from Naim about products, specifications and in my opinion road maps about Naim products?

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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Originally posted by Klout10:
David,

Thank you for the information. Does the new software also include some bug fixes?

I've ripped a CD from the band Therapy? You should note that the question mark (?) is part of the band name.

When playing the CD through the HDX, I've noticed that the question mark was replaced by a minus sign (-). I started the DTC to change it back to a question mark, but it seems not possible. I've had some similar experience with an album containing an ":" (is it called a relation sign in English?) in the album title.

This is an operating system issue, methinks. Not all of the IT world is Unicode-clean....

The actual problem is in the NTFS file system. NTFS itself is fully Unicode supporting. However, names can contain any characters, including spaces, except the following which are reserved because they are generally used as file name or operating system delimiters or operators: ? " / \ < > * | :

I expect the Naim software is storing the band name as filename or directory name. And thus "?" is not allowed in a file system filename. Hence the problem.

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I expect the Naim software is storing the band name as filename or directory name. And thus "?" is not allowed in a file system filename. Hence the problem.

Given the constraints, this seems acceptable to me as one still possesses access to the filenames in a meaningful way, without creating an unreasonable dichotomy between the display of track names from music stores (which are referenced against the internal database) and network shares (where CIFS restricts the available characters further).

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Perhaps we could have more input from Naim about products, specifications and in my opinion road maps about Naim products?

On what business or competitive basis would that be meaningful without shooting oneself in the foot, IMHO?

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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I expect the Naim software is storing the band name as filename or directory name. And thus "?" is not allowed in a file system filename. Hence the problem.

Given the constraints, this seems acceptable to me as one still possesses access to the filenames in a meaningful way, without creating an unreasonable dichotomy between the display of track names from music stores (which are referenced against the internal database) and network shares (where CIFS restricts the available characters further).

Well you either do that or use a proper database in which you could drop the music files as binary blobs, for example. Given the limited amount of searching, its almost certainly overkill for something consumer oriented like HDX. But would be worth looking at for a more intense application, like a radio station library.

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Given the constraints, this seems acceptable to me as one still possesses access to the filenames in a meaningful way, without creating an unreasonable dichotomy between the display of track names from music stores (which are referenced against the internal database) and network shares (where CIFS restricts the available characters further).

Well you either do that or use a proper database in which you could drop the music files as binary blobs, for example. Given the limited amount of searching, its almost certainly overkill for something consumer oriented like HDX. But would be worth looking at for a more intense application, like a radio station library.

Nearly every integrator I've spoken with has mentioned proprietary storage schemas as one of the most irritating aspects of legacy server systems, especially when the drives go south (or the server is no longer actively supported). Same goes for TV/radio production (360 Systems comes to mind).

There is no perfect solution, but a long list of potential iterations....

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Originally posted by David Dever:
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[QUOTE]...Same goes for TV/radio production (360 Systems comes to mind).

Very familiar name, I built dozens of 360 Systems products to different Radio/TV systems. I could write a book issues of Grass Valley Group shared storage systems, Avid Unity systems, or putting Apple Final Cut Pros on a SANmp shared storage systems with Protools.

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
The actual problem is in the NTFS file system. NTFS itself is fully Unicode supporting. However, names can contain any characters, including spaces, except the following which are reserved because they are generally used as file name or operating system delimiters or operators: ? " / \ < > * | :

I expect the Naim software is storing the band name as filename or directory name. And thus "?" is not allowed in a file system filename. Hence the problem.

Thank you for your clear explanation. However, I doubt if Naim will/can provide a solution for this problem...

Regards,
Michel

It might be fixable -- for example, it might be possible to write a file system filter driver which sits between the OS and the file system, and replaces characters like ? with something which is storable, and to do this on the fly?

Unix file system allows for ? in a filename, I think. So the Posix file system driver for windows would probably allow for this

Whether this is worth the effort is entirely another matter.

Mac HFS (which is Unix derived) has no problems with ? in the filename and directory name.

The HDX is XP-based so how is this relevant?

Am I right in thinking that the HDX can only store 600 CDs' worth of music? Not that I was thinking of buying one, but that alone would rule it out for me.

And I don't suppose that there's any simple way of transferring LPs?

Graham

You have no intention to buy one, so you don't need to know how you can store more than 600 CDs...
And thanks for your post, it brings interesting new info in this topic...

Manu, you're right, and may I thank you for your insight. It certainly shows where you're coming from. Remind me never to come into your shop in Montreal, though!

As I understand it, the HDX comes in slightly below the (old) CDX-2 in quality terms. I'll stick with my ten-year-old CDS II. Thing is that, if I were to buy a new piece of kit, I'd be looking for an increase in performance, not a decrease.

Graham

Great sales technique, just back from the customer service course?

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Originally posted by Frank Abela:
The HDX is XP-based so how is this relevant?

See my comment about posix file system.