Support wanted

The only WTTT I've ever heard was on a qref stand and very nice it sounded too, but I can't comment (obviously) as to whether it would sound better on something else.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

Tom,

Is your Hutter a custom made version? I like the idea of having 2 Naim boxes per tier. Makes the rack much lower.

Thanks.

leeto.

JEZ

You mention qref which i assume is a quadraspire reference - if so they are very wobbly. A WTTT tracks well so maybe it copes well with any support but what stand will optimise it is my current search.

Thanks

Mark

Tom

Nice pictures I like the finish but couldn't quite fit the one and a half size.
Ideally then I would want a one and a quarter size so that I could put my half size boxes next to the full size ones. This would stop the rack getting too tall.

Do you know if Hutter do one ? Or is this custom made territory ?

By the way I use Shahinian Arcs anybody tried putting supports under these ?


Cheers

mark

Tom

I may well pursue the custom option - thanks

However I'm still interested in hearing abour isoblue - surely someone has some information ?

all the best

Mark

Patrick

I have never poured scorn on Isoblue.

I have heard it and it sounds similar to Hutter but in my opinion, Hutter looks a lot classier.

Regards

Mick

lol, nice one tony!

Patrick

I have never commented on the sound.

The appearance issue is subjective. It does look a bit DIY but it sounded ok.

Hutter sounds good but also has a good standard of finish.

Regards

Mick

Chaps

I purchased my Hutter from Phonography who were at the time, the sole agent for it.

Phonography is a well respected dealer and were also agents for Isoblue, Quadraspire and Fraim.

Their opinion was that Fraim was by far the best for Naim equipment but there is a price premium.

They suggested that Hutter and Isoblue had similar properties but Hutter did it better. Quadraspire had a different sound which may or not suit you.

Some customers (mainly younger) actually preferred the appearance of Isoblue or Hutter but they were in a minority.

Unfortunately I had ordered Hutter 3 weeks before Naim announced the Fraim and I was stuck with it because it had been specially ordered for me.

Racks are a difficult thing to buy because it is difficult to dem on an A/B basis.

I think the best attitude is buy what you want and forget what the other guy is using.

My allegedly, greatly inflated and egostistical opinion is that Fraim is the best and suits Naim, Hutter is a close second followed by Isoblue, which is followed by Ash Design.

I am not keen on either Mana or Quadraspire but they are better than nothing. Mana is good under speakers and for the LP12.

Regards

Mick

"My allegedly, greatly inflated and egostistical opinion

Marco...please feel free to disagree.

Regards

Mick

Advises all forum members to run for cover fearing another Mick, Marco confrontation on the subject of stands.

Could this be the "Mother of all disagreements"



Regards


NB

"However, your placement of Ash Design stands ahead of Mana and QS Reference in terms of performance proves that even the best people are occasionally deduded"

Marco...I am always ready to be diplomatic...how about "they are all the same".

Regards

Mick

Well if the mana forum is anything to go by there are are around 6 people that 'know best' eh Stallion?

Hmmmm...

Let's see now. It's Monday, we have a "stands" topic, Marco is well in the thick of the action, the whole thread has gone completely off-topic and is degenerating by the hour....

Why? anybody? Haven't we been here before? I would suggest that unless anybody has anything truly new and relevant to say then you should agree to disagree on this (obviously thorny) subject. Thank you.

Richard

p.s. The Fraim's definitely the way to go....

Not new perhaps but relevant. I dont give a monkeys what anybody uses as support, but why do people keep saying qref is 'wobbly' as if that means something? So what? the platter on the LP12 is 'wobbly' as, no doubt, is the transport on the CDS3. The only valid critisism is, as Mick says, it looks like a tea trolley. I think it looks great, is as solid as a rock where it matters, and allows the kit to perform without the lipstick-on-a-turd presentation of mana.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

What interesting responses.

I feel I now know as much about some of the 'members' as I do about the variety of stands available - thank you all - I found it as informative as I found it entertaining !

I have the need to build my own rack before I shell out for a smart and attractive one from say Hutter.

I can work with wood hence my interest in the Isoblue stand. My final question on this apparently thorny issue is about MDF vs Wood.

Do companies use MDF for its sonic virtues or merely because its cheap and easier to work with ?

I would like to construct a stand soley of wood so that I could stain it to suit my room but I couldn't put veneer on MDF.

Your views appreciated


Mark

Ok so you're in a Victorian house, no need for the inside to look Victorian is there? Have u decorated yet? If not there are some wonderful contemporary roomscapes you might consider using colour, the right flooring, wall hangings for baffles etc. I've just done a make over in possibly similar Victorian circumstances and the Mana looks fantastic! My wife said it looks good for Pete's sake!! And you certainly do not want your T/T wobbling about.Sorry, thought I'd try the lateral approach, but you may have already been there.

Steve D

Hi Welshman
The Isoblue apparently works very well under the WTR. Speak to Derek at New Audio Frontiers...Wonder why the top of the Isoblue fits a Well Tempered perfectly? :-)

A slab of granite works well under the TT's..Even a heavy paving slab will work well..Sounds crazy, but true..I dont think that they like the metal racks particularly.

As always, try all options you can, but for value for money and looks then the Isoblue is a bargain.

Hope this helps a little...

Cheers
Goose

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I think the stand wars have lost their previous bitterness, and as (I think) Marco is suggesting, are now a harmless bit of teasing.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

Apparently, slate, marble, paving or wood are the slabs of choice for the WTs. If its a Ref, why not more Fountainhead or whatever its called? Granite could be a bit iffy since it can 'ring'.

I am presently pouring concrete into a large brick structure in preparation for a WT loan, but I've heard one sound fantastic on Hutter.

Alex

Slim,

Not the one I heard. Rather the other way round actually - none of the wow and flutter. I've never heard Nick Drake sound better than on the WT and timing is key with ND.

Alex

Thanks again everyone

I used to be happy with my LP12/ARO/ARMAGEDDON placed on a MANA reference but I'm now enjoying my Well Tempered Classic V on granite on my personalised Quadraspire cabinet.

I agree with Alex S. that I should look at replacing my granite with say welshslate.

However back to DIY er ...or maybe I should pay good money and buy a ready made solution but should it be Hutter or Isoblue ?

In the meantime I'm going to obsess and research for the perfect slab of slate that will be appropriate for my humble Victorian decor !

Thanks again


All the best


Mark

TOM

I'm a Welshman living in Bristol and maybe a trip to Phonography is duly in order.

In the meantime my free months trial with AOL ends tomorrow so

bye you all for now


Mark

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Originally posted by Jez Quigley:

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I is no longer a fightin' brotha...I is chillin' an' havin' a beet a banta' wiv me otha brothaz...

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I think the stand wars have lost their previous bitterness, and as (I think) Marco is suggesting, are now a harmless bit of teasing.

"All systems are perfectly designed to get the results they get."

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It was a pre-emptive strike....

Is there a Hutter website?