Pysch/Prog/Folk Thread for Anybody Interested

Posted by: Guido Fawkes on 06 August 2006

JWM - asked if I'd considered a compendium of Prog rock. Well I'm probably not up to the task and as I'll probably drift in to Pysch and Folk and Euro and Space Rock without even noticing, I've titled the thread accordingly. So I'm afraid it's a case of Irk The Purists and lets give it a go. See also the Prog thread.

So where do we start - lets go back to 1926. Janáček’s Sinfonietta was written in the spring of 1926. And yes you know it - it was borrowed by ELP on their first album and called Knife Edge and it was also used to introduce the 60s classic court room drama - Crown Court. So if you haven't got this in your collection then you should have and if you are one of those who posts that he (or she) doesn't like classical music then give it a try.

Of course, when we arrive in the 1960s things start to happen. Perhaps most significant are these albums



Shirley Collins - should be Dame Shirley as she has done more for English music than anybody - Shirley Collins is without doubt one of England's greatest cultural treasures - Billy Bragg

Folk Roots, New Roots - Shirley Collins and Davey Graham: it is simple really: collect some of the best songs from our heritage and bring together a superb singer and a very good guitarist. You have a masterpiece.



1. Nottamun Town
2. Proud Maisrie
3. The Cherry Tree Carol
4. Blue Monk
5. Hares On The Mountain
6. Reynardine
7. Pretty Saro
8. Rif Mountain
9. Jane, Jane
10. Love Is Pleasin'
11. Boll Weevil, Holler
12. Hori Horo
13. Bad Girl
14. Lord Greggory
15. Grooveyard
16. Dearest Dear

Growing up listening in a house where jazz, Perry Como, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley dominated, Folk Roots, New Roots was a breath of fresh air - it made me want to listen to music. I've been an addict ever since.

Of course, we have got to mention the Beatles and the Kinks - it is easy: simply buy all their albums: there are no duff ones. But that is obvious and I think my compendium should focus on the less obvious

So lets kick of with the Incredible String Band - it was they that influenced the Beatles. The two albums that you simply must listen to are



The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion contains alternating Heron and Williamson songs. Every track is sensational and it combines eastern and western music in a unique way.

"Chinese White" (Mike Heron) – 3:40
"No Sleep Blues" (Robin Williamson) – 3:53
"Painting Box" (Heron) – 4:04
"The Mad Hatter's Song" (Williamson) – 5:40
"Little Cloud" (Heron) – 4:05
"The Eyes of Fate" (Williamson) – 4:02
"Blues for the Muse" (Williamson) – 2:49
"The Hedgehog's Song" (Heron) – 3:30
"First Girl I Loved" (Williamson) – 4:55
"You Know What You Could Be" (Heron) – 2:46
"My Name Is Death" (Williamson) – 2:46
"Gently Tender" (Heron) – 4:49
"Way Back in the 1960s" (Williamson) – 3:11



I'm tempted to say The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is more of the same and in many ways it is, but it contains an epic song: 'A Very Cellular Song' which drifts from one musical style to another and yet maintains its coherence.

"Koeeaddi There" (Robin Williamson) - 4:49
"The Minotaur's Song" (Williamson) - 3:22
"Witches Hat" (Williamson) - 2:33
"A Very Cellular Song" (Mike Heron) - 13:09
"Mercy I Cry City" (Heron) - 2:46
"Waltz of the New Moon" (Williamson) - 5:10
"The Water Song" (Williamson) - 2:50
"Three Is a Green Crown" (Williamson) - 7:46
"Swift as the Wind" (Heron) - 4:53
"Nightfall" (Williamson) - 2:33

So these are my first two recommendations for anybody vaguely interested. I don't think these albums would have surfaced had it not been for Shirley Collins and I doubt if we would have had Sgt Pepper had it not been for the Beatles love of ISB (though it was the ISB's first album from '66 that John Lennon and Paul McCartney both acknowledged).
Posted on: 16 November 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Despite still working away from home and having only the car CD player available to me, I couldn't resist buying this CD reissue.



Third Ear Band's first two albums - a long time since I've heard them. Psych folk improvisations for the most part and very good too.
Posted on: 25 November 2006 by JWM
ROTF, since you kindly credited me with kicking off the idea of this thread, and now we are page 13 of it, I did want to say 'thank you' for the massive commitment you have made to it.

And of course to everyone who has contributed.

I have found it fanscinating and informative, and you particularly must have put hours into it - less of a post, more of a project!

Thank you.
James
Posted on: 25 November 2006 by BigH47
Recently aquired The Light by Spock's Beard and I really like it.
Ditto on the praise for ROTF for starting this thread.
Posted on: 06 December 2006 by Malky
Another belter of a free CD with the current issue of Uncut magazine. Comets, Ghosts and Sunburned Hands is a round up of the current crop of neo-psychedelia. Have given it a spin and it sounds purty good.
Posted on: 06 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Thanks for the kind comments.
Posted on: 06 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Delia Derbyshire was born in Coventry in 1937. At Girton College, Cambridge, she was awarded a degree in mathematics and music. Delia is no longer with us (she died in 2001), but her music is and at it's best it was wonderful.



Time on our hands (1962)
Arabic Science and History (1962)
Know Your Car (1963)
Doctor Who (1963)
Talk Out (1964)
Science and Health (1964)
A New View of Politics (1966)
Environmental Studies (1969)
Chronicle (1969)
Great Zoos of the World (1969)

Delia was one of the most important figures in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She was also responsible for the best bits of the first White Noise Album = An Electric Storm



Love Without Sound
My Game of Loving
Here Come the Fleas
Firebird
Your Hidden Dreams
The Visitations
The Black Mass: An Electric Storm in Hell



The second of the recent Doctor Who compilations features two of Delia Derbyshire's most unworldly and beautiful tracks: Blue Veils and Golden Sands and The Delian Mode. Neither track was intended for use in Doctor Who - recorded in 1967, they were taken off an internal library record for use in the series in 1970.

There are some sound clips here.

If you like electronic music then try some Delia (let's be 'aving you - whoops wrong delia) - try some Delia Derbshire.
Posted on: 06 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes


This album is not awful - it's quite good and had Doug Yule not pretended it was a VU album he might have goot away with.

I wonder who is he's getting at when he sing Louise, you're too old to get around.

It is not as good as Loaded, but it is well worth a listen.

It is, of course, nothing like the first album or White Light, White Heat both of which featured John Cale. I used to like those records, but then I felt my my mind split open. The moral of the story, Waldo, is it doesn't pay to travel freight.
Posted on: 07 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
some music that was a first but i would not play much now my son does though and has done for 5or 6 years it was the new thing for him and his friends .regards munch


Munch, I agree I find VU rather dated especially the early stuff. I think it is worthy music, but it doesn't excite as much as it once did (perheps I'm too old to get around). I think Loaded is a very good album - especially the revised release that removed all the over-production.
Posted on: 07 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Remaster due in January of Second Hand - Reality on Sunbeam - SBRCD 5031. Their first album, from 1968, is a mixture of hard guitar riffs, psyched-out mellotron excursions and weird lyrics. The classics "Fairy Tale"( In both full and single edit) and "The World Will End Yesterday" are going to be on it and an 8 page booklet. Due: 22/01/2007

Let's hope they do a remaster of Death May Be Your Santa Claus to follow.
Posted on: 07 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
ROTF i have put a post on the best sounding cds thread for you .munch


Thanks
Posted on: 18 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Just got home from a spell away and thought I'd listen to this, which I haven't done for ... well, too long. It is a concept album released just as such things were becoming unfashionable in the 70s.

Schooldays
The Old Man Dying
Time Passes By
The Old Man Calling
The Disaster
The Sun's Revenge
A Secret To Keep
The Brass Band Played
Rejoicing
The Disaster Returns
The Death Of The Alchemist
The Alchemist

It's a story about a man who learns about life and chose solitude as a way to learn and then tries to save the people, but those he tries to save mistakenly think he is the cause of their problems and so they kill him. Pretenious: yes - interesting to listen to: yes. Not sure it is available on CD any longer - mine is ye olde vinyl.
Posted on: 18 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Does anybody remember these two classic albums - great music with some incidental lyrics Her hair was blowing free like a corn field.
Posted on: 18 December 2006 by Malky
Ahh.... The mighty Ash. Saw them live at Glasgow Apollo, many, many moons ago.
Posted on: 18 December 2006 by anderson.council
Re : Wishbone Ash. Yes I've got those two in my collection. Must add some more ... possibly a live album from around that time. I saw them at Dundee University in 81 I think - fantastic.

Cheers
Scott
Posted on: 18 December 2006 by steveb
Nostalgia-Wishbone Ash a real fave back in early 70's, great live band. Current band only has Andy powell so not really sure they can be classified as Wishbone Ash.
Remastered Cd of Argus is well worth getting, superb sound, includes ep of Memphis Radio Show also excellent. Only issue is cover, the flying saucer is missing!!!
Steve
Posted on: 21 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes


I'd almost forgotten what a great album this was. If you have it and haven't played it for a while then give it a spin. It is really excellent - Colin Blunstone never got the recognition he deserved. I guess even in his solo career he was still regarded as a bit of Zombie. Still say you don't mind, you don't mind and I'll let you off this time ....
Posted on: 31 December 2006 by Nigel Cavendish
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:


Of course, when we arrive in the 1960s things start to happen. Perhaps most significant are these albums



Shirley Collins - should be Dame Shirley as she has done more for English music than anybody - Shirley Collins is without doubt one of England's greatest cultural treasures - Billy Bragg



Not a Dame ROTF but an MBE is a start.
Posted on: 31 December 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:


Of course, when we arrive in the 1960s things start to happen. Perhaps most significant are these albums



Shirley Collins - should be Dame Shirley as she has done more for English music than anybody - Shirley Collins is without doubt one of England's greatest cultural treasures - Billy Bragg



Not a Dame ROTF but an MBE is a start.


Thanks Nigel

A very well deserved award too.
Posted on: 01 January 2007 by Guido Fawkes


In the early seventies a student at the Royal College of Music in London started to grow his hair long, wear flared trousers and go on to become the key creative force behind a classic progressive rock group. However, Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland's Gryphon was originally a folk group who performed pieces of early music on mediæval instruments.

On the debut album, the group performs folk songs with a couple of early music standards and two original compositions. If you enjoy early music and English folk, then you'll love this. It is not in the Steeleye Span mould of folk nor a rival to some early music renditions, but it is great fun.

It's a case of irk the purists: Estampie is a piece for most groups who play ye olde music, but it is not common for the melody to drift into Somewhere, Over the Rainbow. The atmospheric section in the middle of The Unquiet Grave is also a varation on the versions from traditionalists such as the magnificent Shirley Collins MBE. Gryphon's The Unquiet Grave is a beautiful traditional tune with a marvelous crumhorn introduction and a guitar backing that is reminiscent of Planxty.

Elsewhere, the West Country accents on Three Jolly Butchers are amusing. The early music pieces, especially Henry VIII's Pastime With Good Company, are nicely played and arranged. The original Touch and Go has odd time signatures and Juniper Suite is progressive rock.

Gryphon were fine musicians with a sense of humour. Other Gryphon albums that are more progressive rock (in the Yes sense) are Midnight Mushrumps and Red Queen To Gryphon Three - both good albums, but I prefer the debut.



Brian Gulland: bassoon, crumhorns, recorders, keyboards, vocals
Richard Harvey: recorders, crumhorns, keyboards, guitar, mandolin
David Oberle: drums, percussion, vocals
Graeme Taylor: guitars, keyboards, recorder, vocals
Posted on: 03 January 2007 by MichaelC
A quick heads up - trawling ebay I see that there is a copy og Tubilah Dog - In Search of Plaice. Four days left. This is seriously rare and I do recommend it to those wishing to take the plunge on the basis of a recooemdation of a self-confessed Hawkwind fan. I will say that this is not my copy (simply not for sale) and I have nothing whatsoever to do with the seller.
Posted on: 18 January 2007 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:


Remaster due in January of Second Hand - Reality on Sunbeam - SBRCD 5031. Their first album, from 1968, is a mixture of hard guitar riffs, psyched-out mellotron excursions and weird lyrics. The classics "Fairy Tale"( In both full and single edit) and "The World Will End Yesterday" are going to be on it and an 8 page booklet. Due: 22/01/2007

Let's hope they do a remaster of Death May Be Your Santa Claus to follow.



Release date put back until 5th Feb.
Posted on: 19 January 2007 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Off topic ROTF.
You can get the first two Kraftwerk vinyl albums here:
http://www.musicstack.com/listings.cgi?find=kraftwerk&t=kraftwerk&media=Vinyl

This other site gives a link to a shop but i can't see the two records while they are shown as in stock:
http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/data_discography.php
Posted on: 19 January 2007 by nicnaim
ROFT,

I think you are secretly outing people's past musical history, and succeeding.

Indeed I was a Wishbone Ash fan and saw them numerous times live, at around the same time that I was also into PFM and Uriah Heep, before it all went a bit mental with the punk/new wave thing.

Still think the best thing they did was "Live Dates". I noticed that they are playing the Academy in Newcastle soon, I am tempted to go, if for no other reason than to check out the receding hairlines of the fans!


Memories

Regards

Nic
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:


Does anybody remember these two classic albums - great music with some incidental lyrics Her hair was blowing free like a corn field.
Posted on: 19 January 2007 by JWM
What a great reminder ROTF! This evening I made (in the nicest sense) Mrs JWM look through our records to put on her chices. 'What a lot of Wishbone Ash we have', she commented.

Deux CV (all said in French accent) - a car you've seen before. And all that...

James
Posted on: 20 January 2007 by Nick Lees
quote:
Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
Off topic ROTF.
You can get the first two Kraftwerk vinyl albums here:
http://www.musicstack.com/listings.cgi?find=kraftwerk&t=kraftwerk&media=Vinyl

This other site gives a link to a shop but i can't see the two records while they are shown as in stock:
http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/data_discography.php


Gianluigi,

I believe that all current recordings prior to Autobahn are bootlegs/pirates. I don't think R&F want to re-issue them, which is a great shame.