Pysch/Prog/Folk Thread for Anybody Interested

Posted by: Guido Fawkes on 06 August 2006

JWM - asked if I'd considered a compendium of Prog rock. Well I'm probably not up to the task and as I'll probably drift in to Pysch and Folk and Euro and Space Rock without even noticing, I've titled the thread accordingly. So I'm afraid it's a case of Irk The Purists and lets give it a go. See also the Prog thread.

So where do we start - lets go back to 1926. Janáček’s Sinfonietta was written in the spring of 1926. And yes you know it - it was borrowed by ELP on their first album and called Knife Edge and it was also used to introduce the 60s classic court room drama - Crown Court. So if you haven't got this in your collection then you should have and if you are one of those who posts that he (or she) doesn't like classical music then give it a try.

Of course, when we arrive in the 1960s things start to happen. Perhaps most significant are these albums



Shirley Collins - should be Dame Shirley as she has done more for English music than anybody - Shirley Collins is without doubt one of England's greatest cultural treasures - Billy Bragg

Folk Roots, New Roots - Shirley Collins and Davey Graham: it is simple really: collect some of the best songs from our heritage and bring together a superb singer and a very good guitarist. You have a masterpiece.



1. Nottamun Town
2. Proud Maisrie
3. The Cherry Tree Carol
4. Blue Monk
5. Hares On The Mountain
6. Reynardine
7. Pretty Saro
8. Rif Mountain
9. Jane, Jane
10. Love Is Pleasin'
11. Boll Weevil, Holler
12. Hori Horo
13. Bad Girl
14. Lord Greggory
15. Grooveyard
16. Dearest Dear

Growing up listening in a house where jazz, Perry Como, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley dominated, Folk Roots, New Roots was a breath of fresh air - it made me want to listen to music. I've been an addict ever since.

Of course, we have got to mention the Beatles and the Kinks - it is easy: simply buy all their albums: there are no duff ones. But that is obvious and I think my compendium should focus on the less obvious

So lets kick of with the Incredible String Band - it was they that influenced the Beatles. The two albums that you simply must listen to are



The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion contains alternating Heron and Williamson songs. Every track is sensational and it combines eastern and western music in a unique way.

"Chinese White" (Mike Heron) – 3:40
"No Sleep Blues" (Robin Williamson) – 3:53
"Painting Box" (Heron) – 4:04
"The Mad Hatter's Song" (Williamson) – 5:40
"Little Cloud" (Heron) – 4:05
"The Eyes of Fate" (Williamson) – 4:02
"Blues for the Muse" (Williamson) – 2:49
"The Hedgehog's Song" (Heron) – 3:30
"First Girl I Loved" (Williamson) – 4:55
"You Know What You Could Be" (Heron) – 2:46
"My Name Is Death" (Williamson) – 2:46
"Gently Tender" (Heron) – 4:49
"Way Back in the 1960s" (Williamson) – 3:11



I'm tempted to say The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is more of the same and in many ways it is, but it contains an epic song: 'A Very Cellular Song' which drifts from one musical style to another and yet maintains its coherence.

"Koeeaddi There" (Robin Williamson) - 4:49
"The Minotaur's Song" (Williamson) - 3:22
"Witches Hat" (Williamson) - 2:33
"A Very Cellular Song" (Mike Heron) - 13:09
"Mercy I Cry City" (Heron) - 2:46
"Waltz of the New Moon" (Williamson) - 5:10
"The Water Song" (Williamson) - 2:50
"Three Is a Green Crown" (Williamson) - 7:46
"Swift as the Wind" (Heron) - 4:53
"Nightfall" (Williamson) - 2:33

So these are my first two recommendations for anybody vaguely interested. I don't think these albums would have surfaced had it not been for Shirley Collins and I doubt if we would have had Sgt Pepper had it not been for the Beatles love of ISB (though it was the ISB's first album from '66 that John Lennon and Paul McCartney both acknowledged).
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by MichaelC
And that's the beauty of music - it is so subjective. ROTF, thank you again for a very interesting thread, both to read and contribute to. I have certainly found some new recordings and I hope I have helped others find new recordings too. I shall add that I am just spinning the latest acquisition - Census of Hallucinations, Seventh Heaven. Worthy of inclusion here.
Posted on: 23 March 2007 by Jet Johnson
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
As a way to complete my participation in this thread - I thought I'd be self indulgent, as usual, and give a sort of top 20 British Prog albums that everybody should have. They are not in any particular order and I'm sure I've left out one or two essentials, but if you like Prog then these would constitute a decent collection of the heavy weights. For those who like a quiz only one of my selection is a live album - which one?

I don't have the originals and have no idea where you'd find them, but I've put rough valuations for the originals for interest only.

In Search Of The Lost Chord - Moody Blues - £20 gatefold
The Soft Machine - The Soft Machine - £10
Aqualung - Jethro Tull - £20 gatefold
In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson - £50 (must be first pressing)
The Nice - The Nice - £20
If I Could Do It Again I'd Do It All Over You - Caravan - £30
Shine On Brightly - Procal Harum - £22 mono
Octopus - Gentle Giant - £25
Once Again - Barclay James Harvest - £22 Quad version
Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator - £30 gatefold + insert
Pictures At An Exhibition - Emerson Lake Palmer - £12
The Yes Album - Yes - £10
From Home to Home - Fairfield Parlour - £1000 (no it's not a mistake: I've got the CD reissue worth about £10.49 and available from Amazon etc)
Whatevershebringswesing - Kevin Ayres and the Whole World - £10
Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield - £20 Quad version
Trespass - Genesis - £10
Death Walks Behind You - Atomic Rooster - £15
Solar Fire - Manfred Mann's Earth Band - £12
Valentyne Suite - Colosseum - £12
The Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd - £30 Quad with gatefold

I looked up the valuation in the Record Collector Rare Record Guide.




Re the quiz ...Pictures At An Exhibition is the answer! (recorded live at the Newcastle City Hall)
Posted on: 24 March 2007 by ryan_d
Smart arse Big Grin

Ryan
Posted on: 25 March 2007 by Steve Smith
There may be people out there who, like me, were brought up on 70s prog (Yes, Barclay James Harvest, Genesis, Gentle Giant, ELP etc) who look for soemthing modern which is comparable. I strongly recommend albums by the American band Spocks Beard and their former member, now Christian prog artist, Neal Morse. It is symphonic prog where you will hear allusions to 70s bands, beautifully crafted, richly melodic, playful, nicely sung and so on.
Steve
Posted on: 25 March 2007 by steveb
Spocks Beard
agree with Steve Smith. I have most of their cd's, recommend them to prog rock fans, touring UK this May- hope to goa nd see them at The Robin 2, Bilston.
Also you can try The Flower Kings.

Steve
Posted on: 25 March 2007 by steveb
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
Gary - I have Quark, Strangeness & Charm on vinyl and 25 Years On: they are OK albums, but I wouldn't pay a lot of money for them. My favourite recording of Robert Calvert is Captain Lockheed.


I ahve a very soft spot for that era Hawkwind, as I do for some of their 89s stuff, even if they don't come up to the high standard of the early years. Never got to grip with Captain Lockheed!


Captain Lockheed can be difficult, any album with dialogue i feel suffers from this, aftera few plays the dialogue lacks interest. However,Captain Lockheed has some classic tracks, Aerospace Inferno and Ejection are particular faves.
Did not get on with follow on album-Lucky Lief, not anywhere as strong.
Steve
Posted on: 31 March 2007 by Steve Smith
Spocks Beard are also playig at the Rotherham Rocks festival on May 12th. The Classic Rock Society are their host on that occasion. They have a web site:http://www.classicrocksociety.net

Other bands worth trying are: the Flower Kings and Transatlantic (basically Neal Morse + prog friends, including Mike Portnoy on drums).

Steve
Posted on: 01 April 2007 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
ROTF can you email me, its in pro/munch


Hi Munch

I tried, but can't work out your address. It is not visible in your profile or I don't have permission to read it.

Please e-mail me on hmhb6789 at btinternet dot com

Best regards, Rotf
Posted on: 01 April 2007 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
ROTF You have mail.munch


Thank you - have just replied to your very kind offer.