Pysch/Prog/Folk Thread for Anybody Interested

Posted by: Guido Fawkes on 06 August 2006

JWM - asked if I'd considered a compendium of Prog rock. Well I'm probably not up to the task and as I'll probably drift in to Pysch and Folk and Euro and Space Rock without even noticing, I've titled the thread accordingly. So I'm afraid it's a case of Irk The Purists and lets give it a go. See also the Prog thread.

So where do we start - lets go back to 1926. Janáček’s Sinfonietta was written in the spring of 1926. And yes you know it - it was borrowed by ELP on their first album and called Knife Edge and it was also used to introduce the 60s classic court room drama - Crown Court. So if you haven't got this in your collection then you should have and if you are one of those who posts that he (or she) doesn't like classical music then give it a try.

Of course, when we arrive in the 1960s things start to happen. Perhaps most significant are these albums



Shirley Collins - should be Dame Shirley as she has done more for English music than anybody - Shirley Collins is without doubt one of England's greatest cultural treasures - Billy Bragg

Folk Roots, New Roots - Shirley Collins and Davey Graham: it is simple really: collect some of the best songs from our heritage and bring together a superb singer and a very good guitarist. You have a masterpiece.



1. Nottamun Town
2. Proud Maisrie
3. The Cherry Tree Carol
4. Blue Monk
5. Hares On The Mountain
6. Reynardine
7. Pretty Saro
8. Rif Mountain
9. Jane, Jane
10. Love Is Pleasin'
11. Boll Weevil, Holler
12. Hori Horo
13. Bad Girl
14. Lord Greggory
15. Grooveyard
16. Dearest Dear

Growing up listening in a house where jazz, Perry Como, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley dominated, Folk Roots, New Roots was a breath of fresh air - it made me want to listen to music. I've been an addict ever since.

Of course, we have got to mention the Beatles and the Kinks - it is easy: simply buy all their albums: there are no duff ones. But that is obvious and I think my compendium should focus on the less obvious

So lets kick of with the Incredible String Band - it was they that influenced the Beatles. The two albums that you simply must listen to are



The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion contains alternating Heron and Williamson songs. Every track is sensational and it combines eastern and western music in a unique way.

"Chinese White" (Mike Heron) – 3:40
"No Sleep Blues" (Robin Williamson) – 3:53
"Painting Box" (Heron) – 4:04
"The Mad Hatter's Song" (Williamson) – 5:40
"Little Cloud" (Heron) – 4:05
"The Eyes of Fate" (Williamson) – 4:02
"Blues for the Muse" (Williamson) – 2:49
"The Hedgehog's Song" (Heron) – 3:30
"First Girl I Loved" (Williamson) – 4:55
"You Know What You Could Be" (Heron) – 2:46
"My Name Is Death" (Williamson) – 2:46
"Gently Tender" (Heron) – 4:49
"Way Back in the 1960s" (Williamson) – 3:11



I'm tempted to say The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter is more of the same and in many ways it is, but it contains an epic song: 'A Very Cellular Song' which drifts from one musical style to another and yet maintains its coherence.

"Koeeaddi There" (Robin Williamson) - 4:49
"The Minotaur's Song" (Williamson) - 3:22
"Witches Hat" (Williamson) - 2:33
"A Very Cellular Song" (Mike Heron) - 13:09
"Mercy I Cry City" (Heron) - 2:46
"Waltz of the New Moon" (Williamson) - 5:10
"The Water Song" (Williamson) - 2:50
"Three Is a Green Crown" (Williamson) - 7:46
"Swift as the Wind" (Heron) - 4:53
"Nightfall" (Williamson) - 2:33

So these are my first two recommendations for anybody vaguely interested. I don't think these albums would have surfaced had it not been for Shirley Collins and I doubt if we would have had Sgt Pepper had it not been for the Beatles love of ISB (though it was the ISB's first album from '66 that John Lennon and Paul McCartney both acknowledged).
Posted on: 16 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Adrian and Paul Gurvitz were the Gurvitz part of the Baker Gurvitz Army. However in the late 60s the brothers made their TV denut on Magpie as part of a heavy rock trio Gun. They played their debut single Race with the Devil.. They used the surname Curtis rather than Gurvitz. The drummer was Louis Farrell.

Both the excellent debut album and distinctly average second album Gunsight are now available on a CD set.



Why it says The Gun on the cover when the book inside goes to great lengths to point out that the group was called Gun (no The) is beyond the scope of my brain, but the first album justifies the price.
Posted on: 16 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Tony Newman ex Jeff Beck Group formed May Blitz in England in 1969 with two Canadians: James Black & Reid Hudson from Victoria, British Columbia. May Blitz signed to Vertigo. The debut album May Blitz in 1970 had a grotesque cartoon cover. The first album sold moderately and the 1971 follow up The 2nd Of May, despite being an excellent album full of heavy original numbers, flopped. Vertigo dropped them.

It's now available on 2 for the price of 1 CD.
Posted on: 16 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Mrs Rotf bought this - I couldn't believe it, best DVD she's ever bought.

We've got these great tracks to look forward to

Intro
Travelin' Band
Green River
Who'll Stop The Rain
Blue Moon Nights
Lodi
Lookin' Out My Backdoor
Hot Rod Heart
Rambunctious Boy
She's Got Baggage
Born On The Bayou
Bootleg
Run Through The Jungle
Deja Vu (All Over Again)
Have You Ever Seen The Rain?
Tombstone Shadow
Keep On Chooglin'
Sweet Hitch Hiker
Hey Tonight
Down On The Corner
Centerfield
Up Around The Bend
The Old Man Down The Road
Fortunate Son
Bad Moon Rising
Rockin' All Over The World
Proud Mary
Deja Vu (All Over Again)

John Fogerty recorded live at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles for in September 2005,
Posted on: 18 October 2006 by steveb
Bought the John Fogerty best of Cd of the same name, Long road home- all the original versions-also excellent and a highly recommended disc-bought for my wife who had seen the adverts and wanted it for in car entertainment.

Steve
Posted on: 18 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by steveb:
Bought the John Fogerty best of Cd of the same name, Long road home- all the original versions-also excellent and a highly recommended disc-bought for my wife who had seen the adverts and wanted it for in car entertainment.

Steve


Steve - a great selection. I have all the CCR albums and several JF solos. Avoid Mardi Gras and Blue Ridge Rangers and you can't go far wrong. The compilation you have have is superb.
Posted on: 19 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


This vastly underrated album is Tracks from early 70s band Heads, Hands & Feet. It's quite like the Grateful Dead in places with more than a touch of Lynyrd Skynyrd.

HH&F were Pete Gavin (drums/vocals), Albert Lee (guitar/keyboards/vocals), Ray Smith (bass/guitar/vocals), Charles "Chas" Hodges (bass/guitar/violin/vocals), and Tony Colton (vocals).

These are well crafted and played songs and one to check out if you get the chance.

Let's Get This Show on the Road
Safety in Numbers
Roadshow
Harlequin
Dancer
Hot Property
Jack Daniels
Rhyme and Time
Paper Chase
Song and Dance



I saw HH&F live at Hyde Park, supporting Grand Funk Railroad (who were loud) - HH&F were better in every respect, but didn't play for very long.

Of course, Charles "Chas" Hodges joined Dave Peacock and had a string of hits Gertcha and The Sideboard Song as well as Ossie's Dream. I didn't dislike Chas & Dave, but HH&F are my recommendation here. If you have their much rarer first albut called HH&F and would like to give a good home - please let me know: it is sadly not in my collection.
Posted on: 21 October 2006 by John M
ROTF

It is a pleasure just trying to decode and digest this thread. It has sent me on many shopping sprees. I would say the most satisfying music to me lately is psych/folk and a bit of garage. On your reco I have been dipping into Shirley Collins and have emerged with a smile. Also heard Pretty Things/SF Sorrow for the first time consciously (bought a reissue lp) Can you believe it!? I feel deprived. Listened to a cool album called Pearls Before Swine that I vaguely recollected but was definitely taken by. Can't afford it right now.

I have a head hands and feet album, cant think of the name right now, but it did not grab me. Maybe I will tryout tracks.

Thanks again for sharing your obsession.

John
Posted on: 21 October 2006 by BigH47
ROTF

Try this
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by BigH47:
ROTF

Try this


Thanks
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


One of my favourite singles has an a-side called Beeside and a b-side called Vacuum Cleaner. Tintern Abbey cut a demos for a follow-up which recently surfaced on CD: How Do I Feel Today? and Do What You Must.

David MacTavish (vocals); Dan Smith (Lead Guitar); Stuart McKay (Bass) and John Dalton (Drums) recorded the single. Then Dan Smith left and a certain David Gilmour was asked if he would be his replacement, but he declined and Paul Brett stepped in for the second aborted single. Then Tintern Abbey folded - shame.
Posted on: 24 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by John M:
ROTF

It is a pleasure just trying to decode and digest this thread. It has sent me on many shopping sprees. I would say the most satisfying music to me lately is psych/folk and a bit of garage. On your reco I have been dipping into Shirley Collins and have emerged with a smile. Also heard Pretty Things/SF Sorrow for the first time consciously (bought a reissue lp) Can you believe it!? I feel deprived. Listened to a cool album called Pearls Before Swine that I vaguely recollected but was definitely taken by. Can't afford it right now.

I have a head hands and feet album, cant think of the name right now, but it did not grab me. Maybe I will tryout tracks.

Thanks again for sharing your obsession.

John


Thanks John

What Shirley Collins albums have you heard and liked?

My favourite PBS sequence is on Balaklava, but the album only lasts about 28 minutes which is why I'd recommend The Use Of Ashes as a first step in to the world of Tom Rapp and PBS. I'd avoid his come back album Journey Of The Plague Year - I was very disappointed when I bought it, otherwise his output is of a very high standard.
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


Smashed Blocked
Just What You Want - Just What You'll Get
Desdemona
Remember Thomas A' Beckett
It's Been A long Time
Arthur Green
Strange Affair
Midsummer Night's Scene
Sarah Crazy Child
Jagged Time Lapse
Go-Go Girl
Come & Play With Me In The Garden
But She's Mine

This a very average collection of psych from John's Children. It is not very well recorded and of interest to Bolan collectors.

If you have the single from it Midsummer Night's Scene/Sarah Crazy Child (on Track catalogue number Track 604005) and want to send it to me then I'd be much obliged. I'd swap it for a brand new copy of the much superior Achtung Bono by HMHB.
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
BTW - Record Collector recently reported a copy of Midsummer Night's Scene/Sarah Crazy Child sold at auction for £4,000.
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Nigel Cavendish
ROTF

Do you actually own all this stuff?
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
I do not own the single Midsummer Night's Scene/Sarah Crazy Child.

I do have all the albums and singles I've posted about - though most of my collection is not the original or valuable pressings.
Posted on: 25 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
I've commented on some great (IMO) albums from England, Germany, Holland. Ireland, Scotland, America and USA - so I thought this might be a bit more unusual



If You Knew
I Don't Care
Better Days
By The Sea
Big Beat Country Dance
Love Enough
My Life
Memory
Once
Fyrsti Kossinn
Ef Hun Er Nglet Mer
Show Me You Like Me
Minningin Um Ig
Ertu Med
Kvold Vid Keflavik
Stay
By The Sea
Heyrdu Mig Goda
Thu Og Eg
Missumarsnott

This is a wonderful collection from Thor's Hammer my favourite Icelandic band. It contains all of the legendaty Umbarumbamba EP that sells for silly money. I first encounterd Thor's Hammer on the second Nuggetts collection and decide to investigate this when it came out on CD.

Thor's Hammer were/are

Rúnar Júlíusson (vocals, bass)
Gunnar Þórðarson (guitar, vocals)
Erlingur Björnsson (guitar, vocals, 1966-1969, 2002-present)
Engilbert Jensen (vocals, drums)
Shady Owens (vocals, 1968-1969)
Gunnar Jökull Hákonarson (drums, 1968)
Björgvin Halldórsson (vocals, 1973-1974)
Birgir Hranfsson (guitar, 1973-1974)
Pétur Östlund (drums, 1966)

Superb freakbeat, not as good as Wimple Winch or The Action. but pretty fine nonetheless and in that style.
Posted on: 26 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes


This is a nice album by Camel - I don't have anything else by them. Anybody care to recommend another album by Camel for me to try.
Posted on: 26 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
The 23rd Turnoff's ia the exit off the M6 for Liverpool. Jimmy Campbell was leader of the Kirkbys, before the band changed its name to 23rd Turnoff and released Michaelangelo in 1967.

A recent CD has brought together all the works of the Kirkbys and 23rd Turnoff: The Dream of Michelangelo = quite a bit of repetition with alternative takes and so on, but a nice album for the collection.

Posted on: 26 October 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Glasgow's Al Stewart began playing guitar in Tony Blackburn's band the Sabres.

He then made an excellent, but unsuccessful single The Elf, with Jimmy Page on guitar - available on many compilations. It was his answer to Marc Bolan's The Wizard.

Al's first album is the autobiographical Bedsitter Images, which he followed with Love Chronicles - it's the 18 minute title track, again with Page on guitar, that caused much controversy at the time, as Al describes his love life in some detail. Zero She Flies is hird third album and not as strong as the previous two, but the 1972 album Orange is my favourite of his albums; the follow up 2 years later was Past, Present and Future and almost as good. That brings us to his commercial period and two fine pop albums Modern Times with Alan Parsons helping out and, of course Year of the Cat, again with Parsons's lush arrangements.

Any of the above albums are worth having, but Orange would be my recommendation.



You Don't Even Know Me
Amsterdam
Songs Out of Clay
The News from Spain
I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
Once an Orange, Always an Orange
I'm Falling
Night of the 4th of May

Tim Renwick is on guitar and Rick Wakeman on keyboards - somehow it just works.
Posted on: 26 October 2006 by MichaelC
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:


This is a nice album by Camel - I don't have anything else by them. Anybody care to recommend another album by Camel for me to try.


Hi ROTF

I would recommend Rain Dances, Breathless, I Can See Your House From Here and Nude.

I have also got A Live Record which is worthwhile too.

I have, however, not heard their later recordings.

Of these I would suggest Rain Dances first being Camel at their most progressive best.

Mike
Posted on: 27 October 2006 by seagull
more Camel recommendations here

My personal favourite is Mirage, - the one with the cover that looks like the cigarette pack.

This pre-dates the Snowgoose, some superb guitar playing from Andy Latimer

And of course the bottle of beer discussed in the other thread...
Posted on: 03 November 2006 by Guido Fawkes


I'm away at the moment on a work assignment, but one of the guys I'm working with has a decent set-up with home brew amp and speakers and one of those LP12 thingies. More impressively he has a big collection of vinyl to play on it and among his collection I found these two neglected classics and asked if I could listen to them. They are now on my wish list along with a couple of the Camel recommendations above.

The albums are Barkerloo and Quatermass - excellent prog-rock.
Posted on: 03 November 2006 by Malky
New Elektra 5 Cd box set looks interesting now that xmas lists are being drawn up.
Posted on: 06 November 2006 by Malky
Good feature on the fifty most influential folk albums in this month's Mojo.
Posted on: 11 November 2006 by MichaelC
Having a dull moment a few days ago and came across the following web site:

Prog Archives

It made pretty good reading and a good alternative to amg.