canada

Posted by: AL4N on 19 February 2007

The wife and i will be going to Canada (somewhere around Niagra Falls)in June '08, will we be able to visit anywhere where we will be able to ski at that time of year, within easy driving?
And i would like to go Salmon fishing as well, has anyone got any experience of these two pastimes in Canada?
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by manicatel
I'm fairly sure there won't be any skiing in June in Canada. (I assume you mean snow skiing, not water skiing).
Skiing in Canada has a pretty similar season to that of europe, ie Nov/Dec, through until about April.
Eastern Canada, Toronto, Montreal etc gets pretty hot in summer, & so you'll find it in the 70/80f, or high 20/early 30c's.
Can't help you with the fishing query.
Anyway, don't let me put you off Canada. It gets a fair bit of ribbing over its status compared to its neighbour, but I find it to be a great country, with very genuine & friendly people (maybe not so much the french-canadians though). Great countryside, nice summer weather, good vfm. Enjoy the trip.
matt.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by AL4N
cheer's, obviously we have plenty of time to plan, my wife want's to go in Jan, but it would appear to be the other extreme, thing is, the fishing would be a dream come true for me and i think the Salmon season is May, June and July so like you say, there's not much chance of snow then, but i thought i'd ask anyway.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Don Atkinson
We go to Canada a couple of times each year, but to BC/Alberta/Yukon.

In winter the skiing is fantastic in BC and Alberta. In summer, the only snow is on the glaciers or a couple of mountain tops like Assiniboine and Robson plus the Coastal Mountains. Although it has snowed a couple of times in August when we were in Banff, this was no more than a dusting. In summer, the winter ski-slopes are usually Alpine meadows!! I have flowen over most of BC and Albert out to Calgary. There is no ski snow in summer. I would guess the same is true of Eastern Canada. So I would give up on the skiing in summer.

As for salmon fishing, I'm no fisherman. The west coast has lots of salmon rivers, including on Vancouver Island. But on the east coast, Toronto (Niagra) is a long way up the St Lawrence River past Quebec, Montreal and Lake Ontario. I don't know if salmon can make it that far?

There are lots of guide books on Canada and I'm sure one covering Eastern Canada will tell you what to expect

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Roy T
If you can not get out west for the salmon fishing then Nova Scotia is well worth a look or settle for the many lake and brook trout to be found in the backwoods (rather a lot of backwoods in that part of the world).

If you can get hold of a copy of;

The Compleat Lee Wulff
ISBN: 0525247963
Binding: Hardcover
Date Published: 1989

Then you will be well set for your adventure.
Posted on: 19 February 2007 by Melnobone
I prefer the west coast...so no help from me...
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by AL4N
cheer's, most helpful, i've found out that the salmon season runs up untill the end of November, so there may be a chance of doing both.
http://www.fishing-uk-scotland.com/fishing-trips/fishing-british-columbia.htm

although this particular place is on the west side.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by AL4N
quote:
Originally posted by Roy T:
If you can not get out west for the salmon fishing then Nova Scotia is well worth a look or settle for the many lake and brook trout to be found in the backwoods (rather a lot of backwoods in that part of the world).

If you can get hold of a copy of;

The Compleat Lee Wulff
ISBN: 0525247963
Binding: Hardcover
Date Published: 1989

Then you will be well set for your adventure.


i have found the book, only £9 inc delivery, i await it's arrival
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by hi fi fo fum
http://www.ontariotravel.net/TcisCtrl?site=consumers&ke...7&calYearSelect=2007
You might not find any great fishing near the falls, wine, plays, and flowers that time of the year, getting to B.C. is 3000 miles away or a 3.5 hour drive north will yeild some fishing.
http://www.muskoka.on.ca/home.htm make sure you pick up a fishing license or a Game Warden can take your car.
you might want to get a U.S. visa and check out upper New York state some fishing there...or if all eles fails try your luck at the Casinos.
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/press/pressrel/2004/200468.html
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Tristram
Just outside of Niagara Falls is a small village/town called Niagara on the Lake. You can drive a great road along the Niagara river up on a part of the escarpment to it. There is no skiing at this time of the year, but in winter you would head to upstate New York to Kissing Bridge or Holiday Valley.

The area around Niagara is one of the Canada's wine regions and the birthplace (as far as I know) of icewine. There are a variety of wineries spread thoughout, some with tours and a few excellent restaurants.

The driving is great along the roads off of the main highway, with many things accessible in the area.

There may be a rowing regatta at that time in St. Catherines (just outside) at our Henley. This is a 15-20 drive from Niagara.

As for salmon fishing, the west or east coasts are your best bet, and these are quite a trip from your vacation location.

Your hotel should be able to provide you with any details of these various activities and places in the area. Enjoy your trip.

tw
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by AL4N
quote:
Originally posted by hi fi fo fum:
http://www.ontariotravel.net/TcisCtrl?site=consumers&ke...7&calYearSelect=2007
You might not find any great fishing near the falls, wine, plays, and flowers that time of the year, getting to B.C. is 3000 miles away or a 3.5 hour drive north will yeild some fishing.
http://www.muskoka.on.ca/home.htm make sure you pick up a fishing license or a Game Warden can take your car.
you might want to get a U.S. visa and check out upper New York state some fishing there...or if all eles fails try your luck at the Casinos.
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/press/pressrel/2004/200468.html

some great links, cheer's
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Roy T
You may well wish to splash out on another book but this time it is fishing for pike using a fly. You will find many examples relating to the northern USA and many of the southern parts of Canada, just the thing if the salmon are not in season.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by AL4N
i hope it won't come to fishing for pike, but it's a "plan B", thank's Roy.
Posted on: 20 February 2007 by Don Atkinson
AL4N,

This trip is for next year, about 16 month hence. Have you booked your flights? Is there a special reason for going to Niagra ? or would you be able to go to both Niagra and then on to western Canada, for example.

Some airlines will let you stop-over in eastern Canada en-route to western Canada for next to nothing. (admittedly you will be paying west-coast airfares). Or you could use WestJet or Canadian Jazz (Air Canada) to travel within Canada. You then fly into toronto and out from Vancouver or Calgary.

Spending (say) half your holiday in western Canada could open up a number of extra possibilities like salmon fishing, whale watching, glacier hikes, river-rafting and scenery that is breathtakingly beautiful. Probably all the above would be better in the west than in the east. But I am biased and apologise to any Canadians from the eastern side who disagree.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by undertone
Summer in Canada is two weeks of bad skiing, so you will have just missed it.
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by AL4N
quote:
Originally posted by Don Atkinson:
AL4N,

This trip is for next year, about 16 month hence. Have you booked your flights? Is there a special reason for going to Niagra ? or would you be able to go to both Niagra and then on to western Canada, for example.


Some airlines will let you stop-over in eastern Canada en-route to western Canada for next to nothing. (admittedly you will be paying west-coast airfares). Or you could use WestJet or Canadian Jazz (Air Canada) to travel within Canada. You then fly into toronto and out from Vancouver or Calgary.

Spending (say) half your holiday in western Canada could open up a number of extra possibilities like salmon fishing, whale watching, glacier hikes, river-rafting and scenery that is breathtakingly beautiful. Probably all the above would be better in the west than in the east. But I am biased and apologise to any Canadians from the eastern side who disagree.

Cheers

Don


this is all good info, we have not booked yet, the flights i have tried to book won't allow it so far in advance, as for Niagra, well, we may not go to Canada again so it's a must see, it really does a sound like the perfect solution to have a stop over.
Posted on: 21 February 2007 by Don Atkinson
AL4N

How long are you planning to spend on this holiday? and appart from the fishing, what sort of things would you enjoy?

You can see many of the beautiful sights and enjoy your fishing, by hiring a car and driving to the tourist sights. This will also get you to the "essential" tourist delights of white-water rafting, canoeing, heli-hiking, day hikes etc which could be packed into a fortnight.

If you were planning a month (say), you could visit a wider range of scenery eg the ferry from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert (despite it sinking last year), play golf in spectacular surroundings, take in "gold-rush" heritage towns like Barkerville, or go back-packing in the Rockies (eg Assiniboine, the Rock Wall or the Snowbird Pass behind Mt Robson)....all recommended in a group of 6 because of the bears, but I often go as a two or threesome as do many others.

I'll jot down a few of the things we've done over the past years, that have been particularly good..... and hope it gives you some insight and inspiration to see/do things that you might like. There's a lot of choice. (but we've never been to Niagra - yet)

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 22 February 2007 by Peter C
Niagara is worth visiting and I can understand why you would want to see it. You are also not far from Toronto, about 80 miles which has a lot to offer and could be your base to visit other parts of Eastern Canada.

Canada however has a lot of other spectacular scenery besides Niagara. If you are making it a once in a lifetime trip to Canada then I recommend you include western Canada as well. British Columbia and Alberta have some of Canada's most spectacular scenery. The Rockies in particular will impress you. Jasper, Banff, Lake Louise, Moraine lake, Mount Robson. BC also has the Frazer Canyon and Vancouver Island.

If you think Niagara is in experience, try going through the Rockies on the train from Jasper to Vancouver, past Mount Robson as well.

Vancouver is also one of the World's great cities and has a lot to offer. In the nineties it was voted no.3 behind Rio De Janiero and San Francisco as one of the best cities to visit by BA regular flyers.

For skiing you are going at the wrong time of year, try earlier in the year.

For Salmon fishing the East or West coast is required effectively.

Like a lot of people who visit Canada I very much doubt it will be your only holiday there, it's one of the great holiday destinations to go in the world.
Posted on: 22 February 2007 by undertone
One of the biggest mistakes people make when planning a visit to Canada is trying to see everything in a fortnight. It's just too big. Some relatives of mine did a very high end fly-drive vacation in British Columbia for 3 weeks and only covered half the Province. A flight between Toronto and Vancouver is 5 hours, or 5 days by car. The area between Niagra on the west and Quebec city on the east which takes in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal in between is about 700 miles. You could cover most of the must-sees in this corridor in a two week span without pushing it too hard.
Posted on: 22 February 2007 by AL4N
quote:
Originally posted by undertone:
One of the biggest mistakes people make when planning a visit to Canada is trying to see everything in a fortnight. It's just too big. Some relatives of mine did a very high end fly-drive vacation in British Columbia for 3 weeks and only covered half the Province. A flight between Toronto and Vancouver is 5 hours, or 5 days by car. The area between Niagra on the west and Quebec city on the east which takes in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal in between is about 700 miles. You could cover most of the must-sees in this corridor in a two week span without pushing it too hard.


indeed, it will be a case of only seeing a small part, what small part is another matter.
Posted on: 23 February 2007 by AL4N
It looks like a place called Whistler is what's catching my wife's eye at the moment.
Posted on: 23 February 2007 by Don Atkinson
AL4N,

Whistler is a ski resort on the east side of the coastal mountains in BC. In the summer there is no snow, but its a nice place to visit, especially if you drive from Cache Creek over the old road. The ski lifts take summer visitors up the mountains for the views and the hill walking.

I would try to include it in a touring itinerary, but it wouldn't be top of my list.

Bit pushed for time, (the weather is clearing) I will try to post a list of top attractions in BC/Alberta tonight.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 23 February 2007 by Don Atkinson
AL4N,

One of the most comprehensive, and inspiring books about Canada, is Baedeker's Canada (about £15 including a very useful separate map). It covers all the major sights to see and all the places that matter with a ** rating. It provides a superb overview of the geography, history and culture and includes practical information about travel, hotels, restaurants and suggested tours by car lasting 1 week, 2 weeks 3 weeks and 4 weeks.

If you included BC/Alberta in your itinerary, I can recommend the following places of interest with a * or ** rating more or less in line with Baedeker's (naturally I don't always agree with his rating). If there is no * its still worth seeing.........


Assiniboine Prov Park *
Assiniboine/Magog Lake ** (2 day hike)

Banff National Park **
Banff Springs Hotel
Sulphur Mountain Gondola *
Sunshine Area **
Healy Pass/Simpson Pass/Egypt Lakes ** (day hike)
Johnson Canyon/Inkwells
Lake Louise ** (you can canoe)
Plain of the six Glaciers/Beehive/Lake Agnes Teahouse ** (day hike)
Moraine Lake ** (you can canoe)
Paradise Valley
Sentinel Pass ** (day hike)

Barkerville Historic Park **
Bowron Lakes ** (day or week canoe trip)

Calgary
Calgary Tower Restaurant
Glenbow Museum *
Kananaskas Valley *
Tyrell Museum (Dinasours) *
Heritage Park *

Clearwater (Grade 4 White Water Rafting) **
Helmcken Falls *

Fort McCleod/ Head-Smashed-in-Buffalo-Jump

Fraser Canyon/Hell's Gate

Mt Revelstoke National Park *
Craigellachhie (Last Spike in the Canadian Pacific Railway)
Three Valley Gap
Rogers Pass

Icefields Parkway **
Bow Lake
Bow Summit/Peyto Lake *
Mistaya Canyon
Parker Ridge
Columbia Icefield
Athabasca Glacier *
Athabasca Falls *

Inside Passage (Port Hardy-Prince Rupert) **

Jasper National Park *
Maligne Canyon
Maligne Lake **

'Ksan Indian Village *

Okanagan (our hometown area)
Vineyards/wine estates
Silver Star Recreational Mountain
Predator Ridge Golf Resort (our home) *
O'Keef Ranch

Vancouver
Stanley Park /Totem Poles *
Gas Town
Vancouver Museum
University of BC Museum of Anthropology *
Capilano Suspension Bridge *
Grouse Mountain

Whistler
Whistler-Lillooet Road *

Vancouver island
Victoria
Tofino *
Canoe on Clayoquot Sound
Float-plane tours along coast *
Telegraph Cove (Whale watching) *

Waterton-Glacier National Park *
Red Rock Canyon
Chief Mountain
Many Glacier
Going to the Sun Road ** (actually in Montana)
Hidden Lake
Crypt Lake * (vote best day hike in Canada. But not for the faint-hearted)

Prince Rupert
Steward (in BC and adjacent to Hyder)
Hyder (actually in Alaska but good to see Grizzly Bears) *
Bear Glacier
Salmon Glacier **
Stewart Cassiar Highway *


Mt Robson Prov Park *
Berg Lake *
Snowbird Pass **
(3-day hike to see it all)

Yoho National Park **
Kickinghorse Pass
Great Divide
Lake O'Hara **
Abbot Hut *
Spiral Tunnels on the CP Railway
Yoho Valley *
Takakkaw Falls **
Burgess Shale of Fossils *
Emerald Lake * (you can canoe)

Radium
Rock Wall * (3 day hike)
Floe Lake * (day hike)

Nelson (Scenic Flights) *
Bugaboos (Heli-hiking - allow 3 days) **

If you were going to spend two weeks in BC/Alberta you could consider something like this which would include some of the above.

Vancouver - Vancouver Island - Tofino - Telegraph Cove - Port Hardy - Inside Passage - Prince Rupert - Stewart/Hyder - Barkerville - Clearwater - Mount Robson - Jasper National Park - Icefields Parkway - Banff National Park - Yoho National Park - TransCanada Highway via Rogers Pass to Revelstoke - either Roads and Ferries to Nelson - Vancouver or Revelstoke - Cache Creek - Lillooet -via old road - Whistler - Vancouver.

If you were going to spend three weeks, you could add a couple of day hikes to the above plus a few days to Snowbird Pass or three or four days in the Bugaboos.

Now I have no idea what you really like doing, but I hope this encourages you to buy the book and start planning (which is exciting).

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 23 February 2007 by Melnobone
quote:
Baedeker's Canada

Baedeker is most famous in the uk as the guidebook the Nazis used to bomb our prettiest cities...Bath amongst them. Frown
Posted on: 23 February 2007 by Sandy8
I'd recommend the west side. Smile
Posted on: 24 February 2007 by AL4N
quote:
Originally posted by Don Atkinson:
AL4N,

One of the most comprehensive, and inspiring books about Canada, is Baedeker's Canada (about £15 including a very useful separate map). It covers all the major sights to see and all the places that matter with a ** rating. It provides a superb overview of the geography, history and culture and includes practical information about travel, hotels, restaurants and suggested tours by car lasting 1 week, 2 weeks 3 weeks and 4 weeks.

If you included BC/Alberta in your itinerary, I can recommend the following places of interest with a * or ** rating more or less in line with Baedeker's (naturally I don't always agree with his rating). If there is no * its still worth seeing.........


Assiniboine Prov Park *
Assiniboine/Magog Lake ** (2 day hike)

Banff National Park **
Banff Springs Hotel
Sulphur Mountain Gondola *
Sunshine Area **
Healy Pass/Simpson Pass/Egypt Lakes ** (day hike)
Johnson Canyon/Inkwells
Lake Louise ** (you can canoe)
Plain of the six Glaciers/Beehive/Lake Agnes Teahouse ** (day hike)
Moraine Lake ** (you can canoe)
Paradise Valley
Sentinel Pass ** (day hike)

Barkerville Historic Park **
Bowron Lakes ** (day or week canoe trip)

Calgary
Calgary Tower Restaurant
Glenbow Museum *
Kananaskas Valley *
Tyrell Museum (Dinasours) *
Heritage Park *

Clearwater (Grade 4 White Water Rafting) **
Helmcken Falls *

Fort McCleod/ Head-Smashed-in-Buffalo-Jump

Fraser Canyon/Hell's Gate

Mt Revelstoke National Park *
Craigellachhie (Last Spike in the Canadian Pacific Railway)
Three Valley Gap
Rogers Pass

Icefields Parkway **
Bow Lake
Bow Summit/Peyto Lake *
Mistaya Canyon
Parker Ridge
Columbia Icefield
Athabasca Glacier *
Athabasca Falls *

Inside Passage (Port Hardy-Prince Rupert) **

Jasper National Park *
Maligne Canyon
Maligne Lake **

'Ksan Indian Village *

Okanagan (our hometown area)
Vineyards/wine estates
Silver Star Recreational Mountain
Predator Ridge Golf Resort (our home) *
O'Keef Ranch

Vancouver
Stanley Park /Totem Poles *
Gas Town
Vancouver Museum
University of BC Museum of Anthropology *
Capilano Suspension Bridge *
Grouse Mountain

Whistler
Whistler-Lillooet Road *

Vancouver island
Victoria
Tofino *
Canoe on Clayoquot Sound
Float-plane tours along coast *
Telegraph Cove (Whale watching) *

Waterton-Glacier National Park *
Red Rock Canyon
Chief Mountain
Many Glacier
Going to the Sun Road ** (actually in Montana)
Hidden Lake
Crypt Lake * (vote best day hike in Canada. But not for the faint-hearted)

Prince Rupert
Steward (in BC and adjacent to Hyder)
Hyder (actually in Alaska but good to see Grizzly Bears) *
Bear Glacier
Salmon Glacier **
Stewart Cassiar Highway *


Mt Robson Prov Park *
Berg Lake *
Snowbird Pass **
(3-day hike to see it all)

Yoho National Park **
Kickinghorse Pass
Great Divide
Lake O'Hara **
Abbot Hut *
Spiral Tunnels on the CP Railway
Yoho Valley *
Takakkaw Falls **
Burgess Shale of Fossils *
Emerald Lake * (you can canoe)

Radium
Rock Wall * (3 day hike)
Floe Lake * (day hike)

Nelson (Scenic Flights) *
Bugaboos (Heli-hiking - allow 3 days) **

If you were going to spend two weeks in BC/Alberta you could consider something like this which would include some of the above.

Vancouver - Vancouver Island - Tofino - Telegraph Cove - Port Hardy - Inside Passage - Prince Rupert - Stewart/Hyder - Barkerville - Clearwater - Mount Robson - Jasper National Park - Icefields Parkway - Banff National Park - Yoho National Park - TransCanada Highway via Rogers Pass to Revelstoke - either Roads and Ferries to Nelson - Vancouver or Revelstoke - Cache Creek - Lillooet -via old road - Whistler - Vancouver.

If you were going to spend three weeks, you could add a couple of day hikes to the above plus a few days to Snowbird Pass or three or four days in the Bugaboos.

Now I have no idea what you really like doing, but I hope this encourages you to buy the book and start planning (which is exciting).

Cheers

Don


WOW,
thank's for the post Don, i think there's enough there for several holidays, we are planning 2 weeks, but could make it 3, we have found a place to stay that charges £2000 C$ FOR 2 WEEKS,it's a private home, i don't know if that is good or not, but 1 thing is certain, the planning wiil be almost as good as the trip.