Powerigle Mains Distribution System
Posted by: Polarbear on 30 July 2005
What is this I have been reading about in hi-fi+. Apparently its made by Naims German distributor and can be obtained through the Naim network.
Posted on: 05 December 2005 by Emil F
quote:Originally posted by Polarbear:quote:We also tried the Powerigel with the Equitech transformer and two "tube" audiophiles said that they could hardly tell that this is not a tube-based system. Later I connected all my video sources and a heater to the transformer to have it run in before switching to the system.
Emil,
could you hear any difference with the Equitech in place?
Regards
PB
Nigel,
Better timing (the music sounds faster), more weight and better balance. I need time to make final judgement.
Regards
Emil
Posted on: 05 December 2005 by Geoff P
quote:I still can't see it!
Actually it is by Paul Messenger(apologies Karl). It's on page 18, HiFi Choice January 2006 edition.
Posted on: 05 December 2005 by mickey
quote:Originally posted by artist:
powerigel prices £525(6 way)£560(8 way)£595(10 way) for that sort of money i would expect a miracle
Grahams Hydra does the same star earth thing at fraction of the cost
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by Emil F
PB
Hier is the review of Paul Messenger.
Last night I tried the Powerigel with regular mains. It sounded wonderful. This thing makes the music sound so right and as a final result it is about emotion and fun. It should be done even before the dedicated spur. Try to get one of these power birds and see what it can do.
Regards
Emil
Hier is the review of Paul Messenger.
Last night I tried the Powerigel with regular mains. It sounded wonderful. This thing makes the music sound so right and as a final result it is about emotion and fun. It should be done even before the dedicated spur. Try to get one of these power birds and see what it can do.
Regards
Emil
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by Alex S.
Emil, have you A/B'd the Powerigel with a Grahams Hydra?
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by Emil F
quote:Originally posted by Alex S.:
Emil, have you A/B'd the Powerigel with a Grahams Hydra?
Alex,
No, I have not. I don't have a new hydra. I have only the old one. I'm also interested on a test with the new hydra. The Powerigel needs few days to shine on. I consider the hydra as the next best thing or a good budget solution.
Regards
Emil
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by TommyT
Emil,
What is the difference between a new and an old hydra? When was the new one launched?
Thanks and regards,
Tom
What is the difference between a new and an old hydra? When was the new one launched?
Thanks and regards,
Tom
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by Emil F
Tom,
Different power cords. Naim changed the power cord from 0,75mm2 to 1mm2 two or three years ago. I have a hydra with the thinner cords.
Regards
Emil
Different power cords. Naim changed the power cord from 0,75mm2 to 1mm2 two or three years ago. I have a hydra with the thinner cords.
Regards
Emil
Posted on: 06 December 2005 by Jagdeep
Sorry to have to ask this but I have to.... what is a Mains spur? I live in Singapore .... in an apartment building ... so what is please
Jag
Jag
Posted on: 08 December 2005 by Onthlam
Some time ago, there was a question about how the Equitech eliminates hum through the power supplies.
I hope I am posting this on the correct thread. I have received 2 replies from Equitech. The following is the suggested reading...
Balanced Power from Equi=Tech
A Revolutionary Concept and
Newly Adopted Standard in Power
Feature Article
.
Reprinted from the August 2001 Issue of "Wide Screen Review" Magazine
with permission from the publisher. (c) Copyright 2001 all rights reserved
.
Balanced power is a new technology that has captured the attention of most every professional sound and video production company. Over the past 6 or 7 years, balanced power has grown enormously in acceptance and recognition as an emerging standard in professional audio and video media production. Today, most professional recordings are produced with balanced power. Today's producers of ultra clean DVDs and music hits have incorporated this technology as a means to get the most from their professional equipment. The reason why is because balanced power effectively maintains the lowest possible noise floor in their electronics. This allows for the purest sounding and cleanest looking audio and video reproductions. The Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system uses balanced power from Equi=Tech for this reason.
Balanced power arrived on the scene in the mid-90s. References to it can be found beginning in the 1996 edition of the National Electrical Code (Article 530 G.) Today, it is used in most every high-end professional recording and production facility. Let's be frank about this. It's not a small difference in sound or in video quality that we are talking about here, but rather something on the order of astonishing. Professional engineers who use balanced power routinely report an increase in dynamic range in their systems of between 16dB to 20dB. This is huge. What this means is that very subtle details that were once lost now appear in the music and in the video image that were once imperceptible. Performances are closer to live than ever before. Reducing background noise adds to the clarity of both audio and video.
Something to understand about balanced power is that it is a system of providing electricity that is different from "wall power." The design configuration and the voltages on the electrical circuit wires are not the same. The balanced power topology delivers electrical energy to electronic equipment power supplies in a different way than any other system of AC power delivery. Typical power circuits in the U.S. are nominally 120-volts to ground. In a balanced power system, the voltage to ground is only half of that (60 V.) But with at trick called inverse phasing, the normal 120 volts that audio and video equipment requires is still present between the two main wires in the power circuit. The power supplies still see 120 volts as usual so everything works.
Let's look at a pair of flashlight batteries in the following illustration – a very simple idea. The arrangement in Figure 1 resembles a balanced power system:
Fig. 1
Notice that we have established a connection between the two batteries. At one point, the plus (+) end of one battery is connected to the minus (-) end of the other. If one measured the voltage between the two extreme ends of the connected batteries, one gets 3 Volts because the two 1.5-volt batteries are connected in series. But, what if we grounded the batteries by connecting a ground reference wire to the point where the batteries are connected? Right dead in the center of all of this. If we used that common connecting point as a ground reference, we would now measure plus 1.5 Volts from ground to one end of the pair and minus 1.5 Volts to the other end. By adding a ground reference (zero volts) midway between the two batteries, we have created balanced power.
Balanced AC looks like this (Figure 2):
On the output of an AC power transformer are two secondary coils that output 60 Volts (to ground) each. They are connected in series to each other just like the flashlight batteries in the first example. But here, they add up to 120 Volts AC. Note that across the two main lines feeding the equipment we still have 120 Volts being delivered with only 60 volts present to ground on each wire. Since this is AC power, the two mains alternate between plus and minus, 60 times per second, but always opposite each other, always 120 Volts (RMS) apart from each other. The term for this mirror image power topology between the two mains is "inversely phased." Balanced power consists of two 60-volts to ground AC conductors that are inversely phased. In a manner of speaking, the “batteries” in this case are coils connected in series and referenced to ground at the point where they connect. That's all there is to it.
So what has this got to do with noise? That's the interesting part to understand here. There is much written about this subject on the Equi=Tech website (http://www.equitech.com.) However, for simplicity sake, let's just say that when a power supply is connected to the AC line, it doesn't convert all of the AC power that it uses to produce the DC power for the electronics. Some of it is wasted and repelled back onto the AC line -- a pollution of sorts. This is called reactive power. Power supplies regularly emit this reactive power as a matter of normal course of operation. The principle here at work is the law of conservation of energy. This is also the principle source of all electrical noise. Other expressions for these phenomena, in electrical industry jargon, are "reactive currents" and "harmonic currents."
A visual example of this natural electrical event could be seen at the beach. Perhaps one has noticed small waves that roll back towards the ocean from the shore while the big waves are coming in the opposite direction. A nearly identical event is occurring all of the time on the ac power lines beginning the instant one turns on the component power switches. And it continues ad infinitum. In the world of electrical reality, this is “reactive power” that normally goes where it's not wanted or needed, like through your grounds, your chassis and your cable shields and run amuck through your electronics. Noise.
Fig. 3
Notice in the illustration (Figure 3) that in a conventional power circuit, one of the mains is grounded. This wire is often referred to as the neutral conductor. Note in the illustration that reactive currents in the neutral conductor are connected to ground and therefore also present in the ground wires and equipment chassis as well as all of the grounded shields in a/v cables. These are not good things to have running around your ground, which is referenced to your sensitive a/v circuits. To a design engineer, something referred to as “gain” in audio circuitry is limited by the noise in the system. When the noise comes up to where you can hear it, back off your gain a notch and that's zero. Every signal above zero is music, we hope. Every signal below that point is lost in the noise floor. If we are to recover those subtle signals that provide us with detail and realism, we’ve got to eliminate the noise. That's all there is to it.
Fig. 4
Enter the balanced power solution. In the illustration (Figure 4) is a simple balanced power circuit. Notice that the reactive currents have a path to ground through the power transformer itself. Remember the term "inversely phased?" -- when one leg is plus, the other is minus. And so it is with these reactive currents. They like the power itself they are inversely phased to each other. "Headed for a dead on collision" with one another at the ground right through the transformer coils, here come the inversely phased reactive currents. At the ground, the equal and opposite reactive currents collide and sum up to zero. The ground stays pristine and clean. That's how it works. The term for this is "phase cancellation" or "common mode rejection."
Balanced power is truly as simple as a toothpick. It's theory is both elegant and bombproof. It's about time our power system was fixed for sensitive electronics. The latest electrical codes have now provided us with this technology. (Thanks to Equi=Tech who has pioneered it's development from the start.)
But let's take this discussion just one step further so we can see just how sophisticated the Equi=Tech Wall Cabinet System used in the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system really is. There are some important factors to consider from an engineer's perspective that can drastically affect the efficiency of a balanced power system. Or in other words, will it work and how well? Here is where accuracy provides us with great value. When we say accuracy, we mean phase accuracy. In this case however we would be referring to "inverse phase" accuracy. These reactive currents must be perfectly opposite each other to achieve total annihilation of noise. To the degree that they are more and more out of phase, lower and lower frequencies will still be present in the noise spectrum. A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise will be attenuated.
The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to consider but also documented and true. What this means in audio playback is an astonishing difference in imaging, detail and openness. From an analog perspective, the balanced power system lowers noise to the point where details formerly lost in the noise floor suddenly appear as if live now for the first time. Bass is also deeper, tighter and more defined. In a video system, blacks are blacker and colors retain more detail and have less bloom. Speckles disappear.
Equi=Tech makes Wall Cabinet Systems ranging in size from 50 Amps to 125 Amps. All of Equi=Tech's systems have a long history of awards in the professional arena. The model chosen for the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system was the Model ET12.5W (125 Amps.) It has 10 20-amp circuits for distribution through an electrical wiring system by an electrician. It easily handles the power needs of the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system’s ten 1000-watt custom built California Amplifier power amps and the source electronics too. Normally one is installed when a room is first built, but retrofitting one is not necessarily a difficult chore for an electrician. The Model 12.5W weighs a hefty 350 lbs. and it should be mounted to a wall in an electrical or utility room. Equi=Tech also makes tabletop and rack mount balanced power systems that range in size from 10 Amps through 100 Amps for professional use as well as a line of systems for home theater and high end audio that plug into standard wall outlets for their source power. More information about Equi=Tech's balanced power systems can be found on their website (http://www.equitech.com.)
Balanced power has already made its mark in pro audio and video. The new 2002 National Electrical Code provides new provisions for balanced power to be used now for all sensitive electronics. To an electrical engineer, balanced power is simple science. To a home theater system, it's as right as rain.
Technical Articles Index ...... Equi=Tech Index......Wide Screen Review Magazine
I hope I am posting this on the correct thread. I have received 2 replies from Equitech. The following is the suggested reading...
Balanced Power from Equi=Tech
A Revolutionary Concept and
Newly Adopted Standard in Power
Feature Article
.
Reprinted from the August 2001 Issue of "Wide Screen Review" Magazine
with permission from the publisher. (c) Copyright 2001 all rights reserved
.
Balanced power is a new technology that has captured the attention of most every professional sound and video production company. Over the past 6 or 7 years, balanced power has grown enormously in acceptance and recognition as an emerging standard in professional audio and video media production. Today, most professional recordings are produced with balanced power. Today's producers of ultra clean DVDs and music hits have incorporated this technology as a means to get the most from their professional equipment. The reason why is because balanced power effectively maintains the lowest possible noise floor in their electronics. This allows for the purest sounding and cleanest looking audio and video reproductions. The Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system uses balanced power from Equi=Tech for this reason.
Balanced power arrived on the scene in the mid-90s. References to it can be found beginning in the 1996 edition of the National Electrical Code (Article 530 G.) Today, it is used in most every high-end professional recording and production facility. Let's be frank about this. It's not a small difference in sound or in video quality that we are talking about here, but rather something on the order of astonishing. Professional engineers who use balanced power routinely report an increase in dynamic range in their systems of between 16dB to 20dB. This is huge. What this means is that very subtle details that were once lost now appear in the music and in the video image that were once imperceptible. Performances are closer to live than ever before. Reducing background noise adds to the clarity of both audio and video.
Something to understand about balanced power is that it is a system of providing electricity that is different from "wall power." The design configuration and the voltages on the electrical circuit wires are not the same. The balanced power topology delivers electrical energy to electronic equipment power supplies in a different way than any other system of AC power delivery. Typical power circuits in the U.S. are nominally 120-volts to ground. In a balanced power system, the voltage to ground is only half of that (60 V.) But with at trick called inverse phasing, the normal 120 volts that audio and video equipment requires is still present between the two main wires in the power circuit. The power supplies still see 120 volts as usual so everything works.
Let's look at a pair of flashlight batteries in the following illustration – a very simple idea. The arrangement in Figure 1 resembles a balanced power system:
Fig. 1
Notice that we have established a connection between the two batteries. At one point, the plus (+) end of one battery is connected to the minus (-) end of the other. If one measured the voltage between the two extreme ends of the connected batteries, one gets 3 Volts because the two 1.5-volt batteries are connected in series. But, what if we grounded the batteries by connecting a ground reference wire to the point where the batteries are connected? Right dead in the center of all of this. If we used that common connecting point as a ground reference, we would now measure plus 1.5 Volts from ground to one end of the pair and minus 1.5 Volts to the other end. By adding a ground reference (zero volts) midway between the two batteries, we have created balanced power.
Balanced AC looks like this (Figure 2):
On the output of an AC power transformer are two secondary coils that output 60 Volts (to ground) each. They are connected in series to each other just like the flashlight batteries in the first example. But here, they add up to 120 Volts AC. Note that across the two main lines feeding the equipment we still have 120 Volts being delivered with only 60 volts present to ground on each wire. Since this is AC power, the two mains alternate between plus and minus, 60 times per second, but always opposite each other, always 120 Volts (RMS) apart from each other. The term for this mirror image power topology between the two mains is "inversely phased." Balanced power consists of two 60-volts to ground AC conductors that are inversely phased. In a manner of speaking, the “batteries” in this case are coils connected in series and referenced to ground at the point where they connect. That's all there is to it.
So what has this got to do with noise? That's the interesting part to understand here. There is much written about this subject on the Equi=Tech website (http://www.equitech.com.) However, for simplicity sake, let's just say that when a power supply is connected to the AC line, it doesn't convert all of the AC power that it uses to produce the DC power for the electronics. Some of it is wasted and repelled back onto the AC line -- a pollution of sorts. This is called reactive power. Power supplies regularly emit this reactive power as a matter of normal course of operation. The principle here at work is the law of conservation of energy. This is also the principle source of all electrical noise. Other expressions for these phenomena, in electrical industry jargon, are "reactive currents" and "harmonic currents."
A visual example of this natural electrical event could be seen at the beach. Perhaps one has noticed small waves that roll back towards the ocean from the shore while the big waves are coming in the opposite direction. A nearly identical event is occurring all of the time on the ac power lines beginning the instant one turns on the component power switches. And it continues ad infinitum. In the world of electrical reality, this is “reactive power” that normally goes where it's not wanted or needed, like through your grounds, your chassis and your cable shields and run amuck through your electronics. Noise.
Fig. 3
Notice in the illustration (Figure 3) that in a conventional power circuit, one of the mains is grounded. This wire is often referred to as the neutral conductor. Note in the illustration that reactive currents in the neutral conductor are connected to ground and therefore also present in the ground wires and equipment chassis as well as all of the grounded shields in a/v cables. These are not good things to have running around your ground, which is referenced to your sensitive a/v circuits. To a design engineer, something referred to as “gain” in audio circuitry is limited by the noise in the system. When the noise comes up to where you can hear it, back off your gain a notch and that's zero. Every signal above zero is music, we hope. Every signal below that point is lost in the noise floor. If we are to recover those subtle signals that provide us with detail and realism, we’ve got to eliminate the noise. That's all there is to it.
Fig. 4
Enter the balanced power solution. In the illustration (Figure 4) is a simple balanced power circuit. Notice that the reactive currents have a path to ground through the power transformer itself. Remember the term "inversely phased?" -- when one leg is plus, the other is minus. And so it is with these reactive currents. They like the power itself they are inversely phased to each other. "Headed for a dead on collision" with one another at the ground right through the transformer coils, here come the inversely phased reactive currents. At the ground, the equal and opposite reactive currents collide and sum up to zero. The ground stays pristine and clean. That's how it works. The term for this is "phase cancellation" or "common mode rejection."
Balanced power is truly as simple as a toothpick. It's theory is both elegant and bombproof. It's about time our power system was fixed for sensitive electronics. The latest electrical codes have now provided us with this technology. (Thanks to Equi=Tech who has pioneered it's development from the start.)
But let's take this discussion just one step further so we can see just how sophisticated the Equi=Tech Wall Cabinet System used in the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system really is. There are some important factors to consider from an engineer's perspective that can drastically affect the efficiency of a balanced power system. Or in other words, will it work and how well? Here is where accuracy provides us with great value. When we say accuracy, we mean phase accuracy. In this case however we would be referring to "inverse phase" accuracy. These reactive currents must be perfectly opposite each other to achieve total annihilation of noise. To the degree that they are more and more out of phase, lower and lower frequencies will still be present in the noise spectrum. A very accurately balanced system will have a very wide bandwidth of noise rejection, well into the megahertz range where digital signals and high frequency modulated signals in analog circuits reside. A run-of-the-mill balanced power transformer will roll off around 1 kHz meaning that little if any high frequency noise will be attenuated.
The Equi=Tech system uses a patented "bifilar" AC power transformer winding method which very cleverly balances it's two output coils like identical twins. By maintaining near perfect phase accuracy this way, this method effectively reduces high frequency harmonic currents to the point where digital jitter in audio equipment is reduced by as much as 70%. Now that's exciting and incredible to consider but also documented and true. What this means in audio playback is an astonishing difference in imaging, detail and openness. From an analog perspective, the balanced power system lowers noise to the point where details formerly lost in the noise floor suddenly appear as if live now for the first time. Bass is also deeper, tighter and more defined. In a video system, blacks are blacker and colors retain more detail and have less bloom. Speckles disappear.
Equi=Tech makes Wall Cabinet Systems ranging in size from 50 Amps to 125 Amps. All of Equi=Tech's systems have a long history of awards in the professional arena. The model chosen for the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system was the Model ET12.5W (125 Amps.) It has 10 20-amp circuits for distribution through an electrical wiring system by an electrician. It easily handles the power needs of the Wide Screen Review Holosonic reference system’s ten 1000-watt custom built California Amplifier power amps and the source electronics too. Normally one is installed when a room is first built, but retrofitting one is not necessarily a difficult chore for an electrician. The Model 12.5W weighs a hefty 350 lbs. and it should be mounted to a wall in an electrical or utility room. Equi=Tech also makes tabletop and rack mount balanced power systems that range in size from 10 Amps through 100 Amps for professional use as well as a line of systems for home theater and high end audio that plug into standard wall outlets for their source power. More information about Equi=Tech's balanced power systems can be found on their website (http://www.equitech.com.)
Balanced power has already made its mark in pro audio and video. The new 2002 National Electrical Code provides new provisions for balanced power to be used now for all sensitive electronics. To an electrical engineer, balanced power is simple science. To a home theater system, it's as right as rain.
Technical Articles Index ...... Equi=Tech Index......Wide Screen Review Magazine
Posted on: 10 December 2005 by Merto
Jagdeep,
Dont worry, that wasnt a description of a mains spur. The spur is simply an additional run of heavier cable, fed through a larger fuse, from a dedicated consumer unit connected in parallel to your existing consumer supply. This then supplies a dedicated socket outlet(s) for your equipment. I dont think we can discuss detail here but thats basically what it is.
Dont worry, that wasnt a description of a mains spur. The spur is simply an additional run of heavier cable, fed through a larger fuse, from a dedicated consumer unit connected in parallel to your existing consumer supply. This then supplies a dedicated socket outlet(s) for your equipment. I dont think we can discuss detail here but thats basically what it is.
Posted on: 10 December 2005 by Jagdeep
Ah.
So a mains spur is a dedicated power line using a higher rated fuse. Basically. OK. Kapish. Thats what I have.
Cheers
Jag
So a mains spur is a dedicated power line using a higher rated fuse. Basically. OK. Kapish. Thats what I have.
Cheers
Jag