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FWIW my view is that whatever your beliefs about the 'value' of the body after death I think we should not presume that it automaticaly effectively becomes the property of the medical profession/state after death to dispose of us they wish.

I'd like it to be a lot easier to opt-in to being a potential donor though, and a central register kept so people's wishes are recorded unequivocally for all to know fast should the need arise.

I had the 'priviledge' of being a match for an anoynous recipient and being a bone marrow donor via the Anthony Nolan charity. A more valuable thing than I'm likely ever to do in my career!

Bruce

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Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

I'd like it to be a lot easier to opt-in to being a potential donor though, and a central register kept so people's wishes are recorded unequivocally for all to know fast should the need arise.

The body which organises organ donation in NZ is opposed to the idea of a central register. They say they are expensive, difficult to maintain, can contain errors, do not raise the rate of organ donation but give the misleading impression that the problem is taken care of - and therefore can contribute to a lowering of donation rates.

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Bob is absolutely right in my opinion, and for the reason he states.

If it came to it I will opt out if the system is introduced. Neither would I accept blood or a transplant.

This is not religious, but I simply find the idea of some part of another unknown human being being put into my body no less repellant than the thought of having him cooked and fed to me as food. It a vile idea.

When the Fates dictate it is time for me to go, I shall neither be sad nor fight it!

Kindest regards fom Fredrik

? you sound depressed. Are you well?

I must say that as with most of Frdrik's posts I find his views on this subject quite wise and well thought. If we all could remain aware of the fragility and shortness of life we might rise above the pettiness of daily activities and live like it mattered more than not. Fear of dying is natural but seems to consume us.
As to transplants if anything I have is of use when I depart I hope it helps someone( and as a motorcylist I've been told I'm a likely donor ) , but I would not seek transplantation to extend my own life, nor would I persue Chemotherapy as I choose quality of life over length. These are all personal choices and some may think I'm daft or depressed from reading them, but I choose not to be ruled by fear of anything I have so little control over.
Too much beauty so many wonderful friendships, unheard music and unexplored parts of the world to worry if this will be my last moment when I should be trying to live as if it is.

That and good beer...

rOb

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:

If it came to it I will opt out if the system is introduced. Neither would I accept blood or a transplant.

[...].

When the Fates dictate it is time for me to go, I shall neither be sad nor fight it!

Kindest regards fom Fredrik

? you sound depressed. Are you well?

Dear welly!

Well as ever - in fact better than for some time. My view on this was formed at exactly the time I first considered the "Question Of Evil" and the existence of the Judeo-Christian God, as reported in the Unity Christian Thread. It is not a quick fix to a bit to short term roughness in my life - currently unemployed, having resigned!

No! It is a remarkably freeing feeling after twelve years in the same dead end job!

So I am feeling radical, but not depressed, my dear friend!

Go well dear welly! Fredrik

Dear Rob! [Thumbs up Smiley]! Fredrik

Fedrik's feelings about blood/organ donation are not uncommon I think. My ex-wife, one of the most irreligious people I've known, would not entertain the thought of blood transfusion, organ donation and would not accept any medical intervention that involved cutting. She would rather have died. I guess she could have been labelled as fatalistic - but really, she was profoundly skeptical of modern Western medicine and had some pretty good reasoning to back that up.

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Originally posted by Rob-o-caster:
I must say that as with most of Frdrik's posts I find his views on this subject quite wise and well thought. If we all could remain aware of the fragility and shortness of life we might rise above the pettiness of daily activities and live like it mattered more than not. Fear of dying is natural but seems to consume us.
As to transplants if anything I have is of use when I depart I hope it helps someone( and as a motorcylist I've been told I'm a likely donor ) , but I would not seek transplantation to extend my own life, nor would I persue Chemotherapy as I choose quality of life over length. These are all personal choices and some may think I'm daft or depressed from reading them, but I choose not to be ruled by fear of anything I have so little control over.
Too much beauty so many wonderful friendships, unheard music and unexplored parts of the world to worry if this will be my last moment when I should be trying to live as if it is.

That and good beer...

rOb

Fred's post are wise, yes, but to die because you do not want to recieve blood may be folly. Say for example, you accidently injure yourself and lost most of your blood and a mere re-transfusion would let you live on, would you not choose to accept blood? You would be selfish to others you leave behind, perhaps, I dunno.

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:

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Originally posted by wellyspyder:

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:

If it came to it I will opt out if the system is introduced. Neither would I accept blood or a transplant.

[...].

When the Fates dictate it is time for me to go, I shall neither be sad nor fight it!

Kindest regards fom Fredrik

? you sound depressed. Are you well?

Dear welly!

Well as ever - in fact better than for some time. My view on this was formed at exactly the time I first considered the "Question Of Evil" and the existence of the Judeo-Christian God, as reported in the Unity Christian Thread. It is not a quick fix to a bit to short term roughness in my life - currently unemployed, having resigned!

No! It is a remarkably freeing feeling after twelve years in the same dead end job!

So I am feeling radical, but not depressed, my dear friend!

Go well dear welly! Fredrik

Good luck in your current and future pursuits Fred. Take care. I agree with living life to the fullest but I will not throw it away nor would I fear death if it is inevitable.

Dear welly,

On a couple of occasions in my life, when I was younger and less wise, I considered throwing it away, but not now! Too much to learn, too many good things still in front, but there is a funny story from when I was about fourteen, when a lot clarified for me at the time...

I was leading a horse [mare] into the stock lorry to take to the stallion, and was not feeling at all well. My left hip was giving me a lot of pain. I fell down and could not get up for it. I spent a night in the Worcester Royal Infirmary and had alsorts of scans and tests. I was completely unphased by the prospect that I had leukemia and bone cancer or whatever. Strangely I was never given the all clear, and the consultant discussed me as if I was already a corpse, with my brother, father and Mrs B- who kept house for us, in the quiet side ward they had put me in. From that I learned never to talk to a doctor in the same room as the patient! One valuable lesson for life...

But I was completely sanguine. The doctor discussed treatment methods if the worst prognosis was the reality with me later. I said I would decline Radio and Chemo, and surgery was considered impossible.

It transpired that I had a terrible infection on the joint and nothing malignant though I was never formally told, though I knew a nurse who was also looking after me as a personal friend who did fill me in. Later I rifled through my notes one day waiting to see my GP many years later, and the consultant wrote a letter saying that he had never seen such a stoical attitude in one so young. I was always the same...

Kindest regards from Fredrik

Welly,
Sorry for long delay, my Internet connection at GF's shuffled off last night.
I agree with you about blood and surgeries.
My seperation comes at the tremendous efforts and expense exerted in last days care and terminal illnesses. When is it too far? obviously this must be answered individually and planned for responsibly with steps such as a living will and DNR orders that are legally prepared and on file with GP and family/Partner and your Lawyer to assure their adherence.

All the best,
rOb