Devolo

Don't do it. That method is not recommended. Get a longer cable to route more cleanly. Other option is to go wireless if absolutely required. It takes 2 wireless routers. One slaved and hardwired to locally. A direct hard wire to the main router is always the most reliable and has the best transfer function.

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Originally posted by andrew jameson:
I understand that I can connect via the mains using some hardware from Devolo
Andy

Think logically for a moment. We spend a minor fortune on huge Naim power supplies, whose hugeness is there to do the best possible job of producing a clean noise-free DC supply from the noisy mains.

And then you want to put *more* noise onto the mains? Lots and lots of it, in close proximity to your hifi?

Ummm...

I have to say looking at your profile that you've spend quite alot on your system.

I would think that having someone come to your home and run some cat5e or cat6 cable from behind your system in the walls and ceiling to connect to your router would be a small cost to pay,probably no more than a few hundred bucks, and would be money well spent do it right.

Most of my house is wired in the walls with cat5 but in the sitting room where I could find no recourse for the wire I ran a small plastic channel around the room. Its specific for the task from wikes, and you would not know its there Its not much bigger than cat5 cable.

All good points guys ... Hadn't really considered the implications of this. As you say Jon seems stupid to have invested in separate spur and Powerlines and then screw it all up!

Think I'll run the cable neatly round the walls!

Andy

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Originally posted by andrew jameson:
All good points guys ... Hadn't really considered the implications of this. As you say Jon seems stupid to have invested in separate spur and Powerlines and then screw it all up!

Think I'll run the cable neatly round the walls!

Andy

Why not buy an ethernet over mains and disconnect it when you are not using it?

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Originally posted by nocker65:

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Originally posted by andrew jameson:
All good points guys ... Hadn't really considered the implications of this. As you say Jon seems stupid to have invested in separate spur and Powerlines and then screw it all up!

Think I'll run the cable neatly round the walls!

Andy

Why not buy an ethernet over mains and disconnect it when you are not using it?

Because the problems occur when you are using it.

Furthermore this technology isn't working that great.

There is a massive loss of signal strength with distance and it cannot connect properly when receivers are on different rings/spurs.

Better go wireless if wired is not possible, but I would try to get it wired somehow.

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aleg

Better to go fibre rather than wireless

fibre <-> Ethernet interface boxes are not expensive.

80 quid per end for 100Mb Ethernet. 200 each end for gigabit ethernet speed -- with a fibre run of half a kilometer being perfectly possible.

25m of fibre with the right plugs on is well under 50 quid.

I cannot see the point of wifi. Terrible thing in every way.

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
Better to go fibre rather than wireless

fibre <-> Ethernet interface boxes are not expensive.

80 quid per end for 100Mb Ethernet. 200 each end for gigabit ethernet speed -- with a fibre run of half a kilometer being perfectly possible.

25m of fibre with the right plugs on is well under 50 quid.

I cannot see the point of wifi. Terrible thing in every way.

Jon

Could you point me to some of the products of fibre interfaces and plugs you would advise?

What is your experience with WiFi?
I only 'advised' to use it if no wired connection was possible. It is not my prefered choice.
I use WiFi now for streaming HiDef video and my audio on the 5 GHz band because I have troubles getting a wired connection from my listening room to my central router. I have no bad experiences sofar (I have used it now for about 2 months).
But maybe a fibre connection would be easier to install.

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aleg

plenty of options out there -- its pretty much a commodity thing. The only thing to watch out for is the plugs on the fibre -- they must be the right ones for your convertor boxes! :-)

I'd post links but then Naim would be displeased.

Fibre cable has a reputation for being super fragile. This is not really fair. You must not turn it too tightly. You must not nail it to the wall (loose holding in clips is fine).

Wifi is a disaster. The performance of the best 5GHz wifi is barely as good as 100Mb Ethernet, and it is a shared solution. So the bandwidth halves when someone else is using it. The range is poor, and you generally have bad control of the power output (and hence range). Security and setup can be a nightmare, and far too many systems are wide open with no meaningful security. The vendors are wholly culpable in this -- about the only vendor to get it right is Apple with its lovely Airport Extreme devices. The setup, management software for those is a dream.

But seriously -- if you want to run ethernet into the middle of your stack of naim, then keep things as clean as possible and use a nice fibre run. And keep RF and mains noise as far away as possible.

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
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I'd post links but then Naim would be displeased.
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I don't know, you could give it a try or just give me some brand names that fit your price bracket. Fibre networks isn't Naim's business, so ....

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Wifi is a disaster. The performance of the best 5GHz wifi is barely as good as 100Mb Ethernet, and it is a shared solution. So the bandwidth halves when someone else is using it.

That kind of bandwidth is sufficient for all types of audio and HiDef video streaming.
I have a dedicated 5 GHz connection for the audio and video streaming, all other control and WiFi use is done over 2.4 GHz bands. I have a dual band router for this.

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The range is poor, and you generally have bad control of the power output (and hence range). Security and setup can be a nightmare, and far too many systems are wide open with no meaningful security.

Depends on the product you choose. I have a router that allows me to use a three step control over power output and I keep it in the middle range, giving me a continuous 54 - 81 Mbps bandwidth. Full power would give me over a 100 Mbps continuous connection. I use it on one floor only. If I ever would need it on more floors, I would setup an AP/Bridge on each floor,so I wouldn't need to 'beam' through floors.

I think modern WiFi routers and bridges are easy to setup and protect. I think they have learned a lesson from the past, but it remains the responsibility of the owner and I personally feel that networking is not something for everybody to setup and manage properly. Coming from an IT background I feel I know what I'm doing, but again, it isn't for everybody.

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But seriously -- if you want to run ethernet into the middle of your stack of naim, then keep things as clean as possible and use a nice fibre run. And keep RF and mains noise as far away as possible.

My bridge is about 3.5 meter away from my Naim components and connected via a shielded Cat5 cable wired to my streamer (which stands outside of my Naim rack), this is the best I could do and I haven't noticed any negative influences compared with the Cat5 wired situation (running all through the room and up the stairs, etc.)

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aleg

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I think modern WiFi routers and bridges are easy to setup and protect.

Having tested just about every product on the market, I disagree. <shrug>

Jon

Jon - I'm with you on the WiFi .