Sistem pics 2003

pillock = prat = d***head

And Thomas is not referring to *deadhead*. No one could possibly accuse me of being a Jerry Garcia fan.

BTW Steve, if you really want to be a knight in shining armor, you might want to try not drag your fiancée into every discussion. I suspect that's where a lot of these comments come from.

Herman

Alexgerrard,

You need to split yor QS rack into two, and have four usable shelves on each rack in order to separate your brawn and brain components, and arrange your kit as follows:

Rack 1 ---------- Rack 2

CDS2 -------------- 52

Empty ------------- Empty

Empty --------------Supercap

XPS2 --------------250

The alternative would be a sixth shelf to provide a spacer between your 52 and whatever the brawn box is beneath, but this would a) be too heavy and wobbly a rack, and b) the 52 would not have the added bonus of being on its own reference top shelf.



Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on TUESDAY 28 October 2003 at 21:28.]

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Originally posted by Steven Toy:
Alexgerrard,

You need to split yor QS rack into two, and have four usable shelves on each rack in order to separate your brawn and brain components, and arrange your kit as follows:

_Rack 1 _ _ Rack 2 _

CDS2 52

Empty Empty

Empty Supercap

XPS2 250

The alternative would be a sixth shelf to provide a spacer bween your 52 and whatever the brawn box is beneath, but this would a) be too heavy and wobbly a rack, and b) the 52 would not have the added bonus of being on its own reference top shelf.



Regards,

Steve.

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And on the empty shelves you could stick bottles etc

-- woody

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And on the empty shelves you could stick bottles etc

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Er, no. The QS Ref is designed to reduce resonant amplitude.

Bottles would do the opposite.



Regards,

Steve.

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BTW Steve, if you really want to be a knight in shining armor, you might want to try not drag your fiancée into every discussion. I suspect that's where a lot of these comments come from.

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This subthread is one about dometic issues and thus references to my own situation are pertinent to the discussion. If it were not so relevant, I wouldn't have mentioned her.

Moreover, she has read this thread, and her sentiments in your general directon I transmitted with her full permission.



Regards,

Steve.

As the person who mistakenly introduced the domestic issues subthread I appologise unreservedly...now let's all anjoy the music

-- woody

OTD: Lone Star State of Mind - Sing one for sisters, by Nanci Griffith.



Regards,

Steve.

Alex,
Which Neats are those shown in the piccy please?
To the others who commented about their other halves/lack of them/under the thumb/blah blah blah:
My wife and I have just spent the weekend listening to some new kit pending the next upgrade (XPS2 v 282 v 250).
She came to the same conclusions as me, and agreed fully with the observations made re the changes (282 1st, XPS2 2nd, 250 3rd).
She even suggested we get a fraim to audition against the Mana! No drugs (Including alcohol) involved!
Point is she made the decisions without preconceptions, based on what she was listening to... I can't argue with that...

Alex,
thanx for the reply. I will add them to the list, which altered somewhat after the weekend...

Andy,

You and your wife seem to be reaching the right conclusions, and given the expenditure - the same as a car in many cases, you are providing us all with a point of reference as to how it should be regarding musical enjoyment that you both share.

Regarding stand trials, check out the QS Ref as well as the Fraim - it's a lot cheaper than the latter and may just suit your sonic/aesthetic requirements.

I just feel sorry for those sad puppies here who have to lie and cheat to their partners (by either omission or commission) cos that seems to be the basis of their battle-field-style relationships.

No, I don't mean Woody, I think he's got his bases well covered.

I'm refering more to those chaps who delight in the blind upgrade from, say, a 180 to a 250 cos they look the same and she's not going to notice despite having as good if not better ears then we men in most cases.

Musical enjoyment is for all in the household, so why the petty domestic politics/crap???

I could never lie to my partner - that is so weak and pathetic.



Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on WEDNESDAY 29 October 2003 at 02:32.]

Alexgerrard,

Given your lack of space you have only two options:

1) Get that sixth shelf to provide a spacer - it may yet work,

or...
2) Ditch your Naim amps and their PSUs and get a simple two-box arrangement of the Densen B200 (or their forthcoming B220 pre @3k) and a Densen B300XS power. You'll need to experiment with interconnects, but I recommend two pairs of Chord Anthems, a DIN/RCA one, and a standard RCA.

Just a thought...



Regards,

Steve.

For Naim-audio:

I'm not dissing Naim amps. I'm merely suggesting a system configuration that will work effectively in the confines of Alex's office space.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on WEDNESDAY 29 October 2003 at 02:25.]

Andrew,

You miss the point entirely:

Alex uses the same stand and mains blocks/leads as me. From there the similarities end. However, the point about using Densen is that there are fewer boxes to do the same job in what is a restriction on his part in room space. The interconnects business is about then making the system (with Densen amps) he would then have working to the standard he enjoys, and beyond, given the change of amps - if he so decided to pursue this particular route.

The brain and brawn conclusions have been reached by my having experimented with non other than Naim amps/sources as well as my own configuration.

The separation of brain and brawn components applies with Densen as well as Naim - the only difference being that the (Densen) preamp doesn't require a brawn back-up in the form of a Supercap that in turn needs to be kept away from the pre by at least a whole shelf.

Densen power amps still need to be kept away from the preamp and the source component, but with one fewer box - i.e: the elimination of the Supercap, he could then work with his existing rack of five shelves and still have a spacer between brain and brawn components.



Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on WEDNESDAY 29 October 2003 at 03:41.]

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It has taken 18 months, and an awful lot of money to get to this point, and now I just want to do something controversial.....sit back and enjoy the music.
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Thats the best thing you can do! Let your sistem settle down for at least six months before even contemplating changing anything.

My sistem is sounding particularly good at the moment. Sure it has its ups and down but on the whole its an amazing sistem. The Naims and Neats work very well together.


Regards

NB

Ps with regards to the headphones, Sennheiser have just released the new HD650 phones. They may be an improvement over the 600's.


Regards

NB

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Originally posted by NB:
Ps with regards to the headphones, Sennheiser have just released the new HD650 phones. They may be an improvement over the 600's.

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According to a post over at Head-fi, Grado also is releasing new PS-1 limited edition 'fones in Germany.

this may or may not be an improvement over the RS1.

from AG:

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PS - I am using a non-Naim interconnect in an all Naim system because it sounds better. Strike me down now

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I don't use any Naim interconnects or speaker cables, 'cos I prefer the cables I use now.
Hope I don't come anywhere near alex 'cos the lightening will hit us both

Alex,
I will probably look at the Neats you use, but an issue I have is that they need to be able to work within 30cm or closer to the rear wall (I obviously don't have this problem with the SBL's, which are right up against the wall)

Another more pleasant side effect of last weekends demo'ing was that the SBL's showed us they can well cope with changes further up the chain. After I've purchased the 282/XPS2, and let them run in (4-6 moths I think), I will again visit power amps (250, 300).

I also need to look at the rack issue, as I'm running out of shelves, and will borrow a Fraim to compare to Mana.

If one thing this weekend has confirmed to me is to go source - pre - power - speakers re upgrading.

The other thing that tiggered me of re your system Is that you have apparently simliar musical tastes to me, hence the speaker question... they certainly look bass capable, if you know what I mean...

Steve,
re the QS - I've shown Shelley a piccy and she no like the look so that has been binned...

cheers,
andy

Alex,
I don't think I had enough time with the 250 (warm up -familiarisation etc), but in the longer tem the 282 and XPS2 won't be going anywhere for ages, plus my missus was happy to consider the 300 issue, so I sought a tactical retreat on the 250 at this stage...

Andy,

The 300 is certainly worth considering and it works very well with Neat speakers.

Regards

NB

Alex,

My suggestions to ditch Naim amps for Densen ones was not serious in all honesty - it merely served to show that such a drastic measure would be the only solution as an alternative to running some very expensive boxes whose performance is a little suboptimal due to placement constraints.

I'm glad you are happy with your setup, but personally I'd want to max out the performance and would never be satisfied until it was firing on all cylinders, so to speak.

If/when the upgrade bug bites again, I'd think about maxing out what you already have before spending any more vast sums of money.

The Naim way of doing things brings great music playing with the downside that it takes up a lot of space that you may not have.

As for the interconnects issue, do these in any way mask the distortions caused by interaction of certain boxes sited too closely to one another? Just a thought...



Regards,

Steve.

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Swapping from Naim to Densen amps would be more harmful, sonically, than not having the four-inch air gap. Densen is the poor man's Naim, so downgrading equipment on the basis of someone else's exaggerated perception of reality is somewhat nonsensical to say the least.

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Nonsensical? Maybe. See my post above. As for "poor man's Naim" I'd disagree withy that statement - unless I'd actually heard Densen (optimally setup of course) before reaching that particular conclusion.

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Incidentally, those of you allowing your wife’s/partners to rule the roost as far as hi-fi matters are concerned need to become men instead of mice. Why should women have more say about what goes into the living room of a house jointly owned by both parties? Meek mannered men with a 'yes, love, anything you say, love' mentality (for the sake of peace and quiet or some other feeble excuse) are a disgrace to their species.

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I agree with the above 100%. Women generally don't love or respect men they are able to trample on. There I've said it...



Regards,

Steve.

My system.
The NAP 250 has moved down one shelf.

PS Don't take the piss out of my mains!

Sean

If you look at the picture, concentrate on the plugs into the wall it looks as if there is smoke coming from it.... (Only joking! )

Alright boyz and girlz, feast your eyes on this- my bedroom system. It's a Sony somethin'-or-other, set on 3 composite cones (33 Msi modulus carbon fiber; PEEK thermoplastic). As you can see it's connected to a high-end Magnum Dynalab aerial, fixed to the wall with a $0.02 thumbtack. The power mains is hardwired into a dedicated spur complete with a backup power generator. How does it sound? Like sh*t, and despite having 5 radio presets, only 2 signals are strong enough for listening.

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Originally posted by Steven Toy:
Women generally don't love or respect men they are able to trample on. There I've said it...



Regards,

Steve.

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I think only a taxi driver would consider himself qualified to comment on others marital relationships when he lives with his parents and his fiance resides in another country.