New Naim NDX

Well after my whinge on another
thread, as Eloise alludes to, it is clear I would welcome a network streamer without pre- and poweramp.

Ralf

Why wouldn't it?

BR

hdx doesn't support upnp... would be great to see a ndx system supporting it...i know some folks doesn't like it...

The HDX does support upnp now.

Hi Kane,

sorry, didn't know!
Upnp as server or client?

thanks

Ralf

As A Upnp Server i think.

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Originally posted by js:
In digital, if you wait for the next best thing to come along, you'll never buy anything. This is normal marketing practice done by all. Look what happened with the DAC. Naim caved and spoke early, before they knew exactly how long it would take to bring to market. After a delay, a part supplier changed spec and everybody bitched about the wait. You can't win either way so I suspect that Naim will continue to do what has worked well for the past 40 years. The problem with road maps for this particular market is that there are so many different paths.

+1
It's Exactly the same in the IT world.
No one will take the risk...more to loose than to win...

But, YES, for customers, the subject is always frustrating...I can understand that.

Another question would be : "how many customers are putting their orders on hold waiting for "a supposed new revolutionary device"from your company....and finally get disapointed and buy something from a competitor ?" ie: Naim NDX Vs Linn DS (any marketing people around there ????)

Rgds
MA

Hi T38.45,
the actual version has UPNP Server function. I called the function with my windows mediaplayer from the HDX.

Axel

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Originally posted by T38.45:
Hi Kane,

sorry, didn't know!
Upnp as server or client?

thanks

Ralf

thx Axel,
i was hoping for upnp client :-(

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The control proposition is notoriously weak (says the retailers) and the support role has been abdicated by the retailers to an online community.

Dave,

I don't anymore care what bull you come out with about Naim, but this kind of ill-informed comment sounds like propaganda from a desperate man to me.

For the record, the 'notoriously weak' control proposition has worked perfectly now for two years running two DSs in my home and the support, online, and from my dealer (Studio AV, Eton) and from Linn is absolutely first class.

The kit simply works.

Buying a DS is simply the best thing I have ever done in audio. When a rival manufacturer has a good product, real men and good companies acknowledge the fact.

Bye -

You should spend some time in the States. Every market is different.

If I had a tenner for every time I've walked into a US Linn retailer and said, "show me your (fill in the blank) DS setup", and watched them struggle through the process of getting the setup to work, I'd buy you dinner. Seriously.

Even more interesting is what happens when we drop an HDX into the system as a UPnP server. Source first and all that–it just works: no Twonky, no ripping software, no NAS UPnP hacks. Pull out PlugPlayer on iPhone and retailer says, "why didn't I know this from the get-go?"

When I have to educate a retailer about how to get the best out of a competing product, their training has failed–strictly a function of poor distribution and cost-cutting on dealer visits (and I used to work for the former Linn distributor, who still fields calls to this day, some fourteen years after the fact).

LP12 support is (with a few retailer exceptions) also poor in the US as well. But I still own one–can't say I'd make the same purchase decision now that I did in 1996.

Best of luck to you-not a shade of desperation here, simply sad to see where Linn has fallen to in the States, that's all. It doesn't matter how good the product is perceived to be if it cannot be demonstrated easily and with confidence, as in the old days; this may still be different on your side of the pond.

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When a rival manufacturer has a good product, real men and good companies acknowledge the fact.

Err, that would be the NaimUniti. Majik DS-I to the rest of you. Enjoy!

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Originally posted by David Dever:
When I have to educate a retailer about how to get the best out of a competing product,

lol!

@Richard Dane - have you seen how small an ethernet PCI card is - a tiny board with a few components. There's plenty of space in the DAC for LAN connectivity, and it surely has to come. Or do you prefer to print a large data file by first transferring it onto a USB stick, walking over to your printer and then plugging it in? Go on .. tell me it prints better that way.

Dave,

I realise IT is so different in the States it must affect the functioning of the control proposition (although all the kit I use happens to be from US manufacturers, but I'll take your word on that).

I've only visited San Francisco, New York, Nashville and Atlanta recently - I'm not due in Atlanta again until September - so cannot speak with any real knowledge.

But my point about good companies stands I think - and your response rather reinforces it.

Its nasty stuff, Dave ... almost always backfires ... and I won't be associated with it.

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Originally posted by likesmusic:
@Richard Dane - have you seen how small an ethernet PCI card is - a tiny board with a few components. There's plenty of space in the DAC for LAN connectivity, and it surely has to come. Or do you prefer to print a large data file by first transferring it onto a USB stick, walking over to your printer and then plugging it in? Go on .. tell me it prints better that way.

No arguement from me regarding space for an ethernet PCI card. I just took issue with the statement that the DAC was "half empty".

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I realise IT is so different in the States it must affect the functioning of the control proposition (although all the kit I use happens to be from US manufacturers, but I'll take your word on that).

Half-baked doesn't roll here. We don't do Psion, Sinclair or Acorn, and, as arrogant as Americans can be sometimes, it is true that self-sufficiency drives comfort with the operation of a product.

Perhaps Americans are accustomed to being lazy, but if you can't turn it on and go, it's game over.

When competing streaming music products reach the ease of setup and control of, say, a Sonos ZonePlayer system (which sell in droves here as well as worldwide), then you might have a point. Until then, I stand by my remarks, which, as you might have noticed, are retailers' paenings about what might otherwise be a "proper" product.

* - Not a big fan of Squeezebox platform either, though it has gotten better over the years.

Yes the Naim DAC looks very substantial indeed compared to other DACs. Look inside other DACs like the Weiss DAC2 and the Transporter, both I used to own, they are almost empty, but still sounded fantastic.

But the inside of a Naim DAC does give confidence.

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Originally posted by David Dever:


* - Not a big fan of Squeezebox platform either, though it has gotten better over the years.

However the GUI has become useless. It is simply an on-screen version of the Touch itself.

If not controlled by an iPhone/Touch/Pad, I cant really see using it personally.
-p

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Originally posted by pcstockton:
However the GUI has become useless.

*has become*?

Their GIF has been useless from the day one.

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Originally posted by abbydog:

quote:

The control proposition is notoriously weak (says the retailers) and the support role has been abdicated by the retailers to an online community.

Dave,

I don't anymore care what bull you come out with about Naim, but this kind of ill-informed comment sounds like propaganda from a desperate man to me.

For the record, the 'notoriously weak' control proposition has worked perfectly now for two years running two DSs in my home and the support, online, and from my dealer (Studio AV, Eton) and from Linn is absolutely first class.

The kit simply works.

Buying a DS is simply the best thing I have ever done in audio. When a rival manufacturer has a good product, real men and good companies acknowledge the fact.

Bye -

Agreed - setting up a DS is not a major task, especially if you've already dipped your toes into the streaming pool. I could equally criticise the setup of an HDX, which could be fraught with the earlier soft/firmware.

At least the 'control proposition' alternatives are really quite cheap compared to other Apps I could mention

Another plus for the DS is the fact that it's available. Not to be sniffed at.
And it doesn't sound too bad either

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Another plus for the DS is the fact that it's available

I have an Akurate coming tomorrow for a week's home demo. Quite excited at the prospect of connecting striaght onto my network

The DS platform is open source and there are tons of third party alternatives available. In fact, with Squeezgy DS (sp?), you can actually use the Slim Server interface and enjoy all the plugins, control mechanism developed for Slim.

The main diff is that the DS platform may suck, especially their early GUI which is truly useless, it is open and alive and has a large community interested in hacking around with it. And that is very different than the super secret HDX/NaimNet/Uniti thingy.

you can discuss about the sound of DS but the GUI, the different control options (kinsky, plugplayer, songbook etc) and the ease of use is outstanding good.
i'm using DS for month now without ANY trouble, even internet radio sounds great and the set-up was done in 5 min!
code update for DS? just click on "update now"...and that's it!

another example: i just installed (for fun) eyeconnect on my mac and pointed here where some test music was stored (two mp3 files).
i enabled eyeconnect and the plugplayer on ipod touch (my remote) offered the mac source in seconds....now i stream music from mac to DS.
if this is too complex, i suggest you install vinyl player (with azimuth, vta, ideal capacity matching, cartrige loads etc:-)))

ralf

When I went for a dem of a Naim DAC at my local Naim Dealer, it was demo'd front-ended by a Linn Sneaky-DS ... so evidently some dealers do have the competence to get a DS working, and think enough of it to use it as a front-end for Naim dems.

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Originally posted by Nero:

quote:

Originally posted by abbydog:

quote:

The control proposition is notoriously weak (says the retailers) and the support role has been abdicated by the retailers to an online community.

Dave,

I don't anymore care what bull you come out with about Naim, but this kind of ill-informed comment sounds like propaganda from a desperate man to me.

For the record, the 'notoriously weak' control proposition has worked perfectly now for two years running two DSs in my home and the support, online, and from my dealer (Studio AV, Eton) and from Linn is absolutely first class.

The kit simply works.

Buying a DS is simply the best thing I have ever done in audio. When a rival manufacturer has a good product, real men and good companies acknowledge the fact.

Bye -

Agreed - setting up a DS is not a major task, especially if you've already dipped your toes into the streaming pool. I could equally criticise the setup of an HDX, which could be fraught with the earlier soft/firmware.

At least the 'control proposition' alternatives are really quite cheap compared to other Apps I could mention

Another plus for the DS is the fact that it's available. Not to be sniffed at.
And it doesn't sound too bad either

the realisation that others produce great gear. mix and match when required i say