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Posted by: Todd A on 05 December 2002

This time about just two operas: Der Fliegende Hollander amd Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg.

After hearing both the overture and the spinning chorus from the Dutchman on the radio, I decided to give a listen. I figured it's short (for Wagner) and can't be too bad. And I liked it. Once again I was limited to the Solti recording which got panned something fierce earlier this year in Gramophone. (Labeled the worst available, along with Karajan.) I actually didn't mind the performance, with the two pieces I had recently heard coming up pretty good, though the spinning chorus for Solti was slower than what I heard. (It might have been from the new Barenboim release.) The part of the Dutchman struck me as weak, with the singing growing deathly boring during some of the longer passages. All told, this is clearly not Wagner's finest and definitely shows less mastery than later operas. So, which recordings are better? I don't always agree with the venerable British mag on these things, so help is needed. Is Klemerer really the way to go here?

On an entirely different plane of achievement is Meistersinger. Indeed, after hearing eight complete Wagner operas, I now rank this with Lohengrin as my favorite. It's delightful, something I don't really associate with Wagner. The music is splendid and the story, while hokey, isn't as grandiose or silly as so many of his other works, like, say, The Ring. I heard the mid-70s recording under Jochum with Fischer-Dieskau, Domingo, and Christa Ludwig, and a bunch of singers I've never heard of. I enjoyed it immensely. So much so that I ordered a close-out (!) of the Sawallisch set. What others are there worth exploring. I will definitely be adding a number of versions of this work to my collection.
Posted on: 05 December 2002 by Former member
Todd,

Der Fliegende Hollander - the two recordings I like are Sinopoli and Bohm (if you can still find either). I don't like the Klemperer recording, too ponderous for Wagner. Sawallisch's Bayreuth recording on Phillips is also pretty good.

Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg - Also one of my favourite operas. I have owned both the Jochum and Sawallisch sets and didn't like either, especially Jochum, which was just badly miscast in every role, as well as having a strangely leaden sound. The good news is that there are many excellent recordings. The first of these is Karajan's 1951 Bayreuth recording on EMI. The sound is not great, but the cast and the performance are so electric that this is quickly forgiven. Whatever else you buy, you need to own this set, which in my view is one of the greatest opera recordings ever. Karajan's later, stereo recording on EMI is also one I rate very highly, particularly in the latest re-issue. There is the 1951 Knappertsbusch on Teldec, which is superb, in acceptable mono sound, and Kubelik's excellent version on Calig in stereo from the 60s. Kempe's performance on EMI is very good, but despite being recorded in the early 60s, is in mono, and the sound quality in the CD reissue is dull (and much worse than the LPs, which had very good mono sound). As you've already bought the Sawallisch set (even Cheryl Studer can't save this one), I suggest you get the 1951 Karajan as an alternative view, and possibly Kubelik as well (and maybe also the second Karajan set, since it's cheap).

Ross
Posted on: 05 December 2002 by herm
Can't help you, Todd, the way Ross can. But do report later, please, about your findings.
Posted on: 06 December 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Meistersinger is definitely one of Wagner's greatest works. I've been hoping that Haitink and John Tomlinson would be captured on CD to match the wonderful performances that we've had at the ROH in the last few years.

In the meantime, I'll stick with the Kempe recording.

BTW, shame on you Todd for calling the story of the Ring, silly wink I'm sure you would reconsider if you saw it in the theatre.

David
Posted on: 06 December 2002 by Todd A
Looks like I'll have to look into the mono Karajan. The more I hear of his old stuff, the less I like his newer stuff. It seems he did most of his best work before heading the BPO. I will definitely keep an eye out for Bohm the the Hollander, as well as other things. (I picked up a new, glossy, 250 page 2002-2003 complete DG catalog yesterday and was astonished at some of the titles not available in the US, including a number of opera recordings by the loveable, huggable Karl. So much Strauss and Wagner, so little time.)