blu-spec cds .
Posted by: keith waring on 31 December 2008
received 2 cd today, bob dylan highway 61 revisited and boz scaggs silk degree .first bob ,the first thing that hit me was drums cymbals to the fore .its not the same upgrade as shm cds,it not as dynamic more a lighter sound .
the boz scaggs cd is a big step up from the cd i have .this is more a showcase as to what blu-spec can do , top end smooth and vocals very clear well worth a try .
the boz scaggs cd is a big step up from the cd i have .this is more a showcase as to what blu-spec can do , top end smooth and vocals very clear well worth a try .
Posted on: 31 December 2008 by Don.E
How much do the Blue Spec CD's cost? Is it a worthwhile premium to pay? Presuming that they are more expensive than standard issue.
Don
Don
Posted on: 31 December 2008 by keith waring
don.e about £23 with cheapest mail option from cj japan . i will say that some of the titles are already sold out . so if you are quick you can hear for you self , i would say give one title a listen .
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by Consciousmess
Thanks for that post, Keith, I was curious what that Bob Dylan album sounded like on Blu Spec.
The question I ask, though, is when looking through what CD Japan offered in Blu Spec, all the music was old and therefore from original recording studios that were dated in technology compared to now???
For example, Simon & Garfunkel.
I have Simon & Garfunkel on standard CD and of course back then they had extreme stereo, in the sense that it was either fully the left, fully the right and a centre sound.
Regards,
Jon
The question I ask, though, is when looking through what CD Japan offered in Blu Spec, all the music was old and therefore from original recording studios that were dated in technology compared to now???
For example, Simon & Garfunkel.
I have Simon & Garfunkel on standard CD and of course back then they had extreme stereo, in the sense that it was either fully the left, fully the right and a centre sound.
Regards,
Jon
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by Whizzkid
Jon remember this, a recording done in full analogue is superior to an album done in full digital. New does not necessarily mean better and a few studio's are learning this again. the only real problem you have is the condition of analogue tapes but if they have been stored properly they will be in great nick. Just go out and buy this album on original vinyl or Classic Records re-issue (I have the re-issue) and see if you can find an all digital recording that sounds better. Recorded in 1959. Take Five gives me goose pimples evertime I play this record.
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Dean..aren't records great
Dean..aren't records great

Posted on: 01 January 2009 by keith waring
consciousmess,i like you was curious to see what blu-spec couuld do with an old recording ie bob dylan .and in hindsight would not have been first choice for sound quality out of bobs collection .but the boz scaggs cd was quiet a good recording to start with and compared to the standard cd was a big step up ,so i think there maybe potential in this format.going back to the bob dylan cd the title track of the cd soundwise is the standout track .
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by 555
quote:a recording done in full analogue is superior to an album done in full digital.
Not necessarily Dean.
quote:aren't records great
Not necessarily Dean.
I just did a comparison of London Calling - The Clash:
Blu-Spec v 1999 Sony UK CD. These appear to be from the same master.
The standard CD sounds good to my ears,
but the B.S. has more detail & better separation on percussion, but both subtle.
I prefer the bass on the non standard CD - tighter & more weight, but again subtle.
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by keith waring
i think you put it better 555, the word percussion is what i should have said, thats what i notices most , but after a few plays of the bob dylan cd i notice you could follow the bass guitar a lot better also .i missed out on the sade blu-spec as its out of print at cdjapan and a bit dear at hmv japan over £30 but i think that could be a good listen .be interested to hear of any more blu-spec cd that anyone has.
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by Whizzkid
555,
Remember I said full analogue and CD is digital so I stand by what I say a full analogue recording mastered onto vinyl or tape. Though guys I'm not trolling I was just letting Jon know that he should not dismiss an older recording to be inferior to modern recordings.
Dean..
Remember I said full analogue and CD is digital so I stand by what I say a full analogue recording mastered onto vinyl or tape. Though guys I'm not trolling I was just letting Jon know that he should not dismiss an older recording to be inferior to modern recordings.
Dean..
Posted on: 01 January 2009 by keith waring
whizzkid, time out by dave brubeck is released on blu-spec so would be interesting to see how near it comes to the vinyl .
Posted on: 02 January 2009 by Consciousmess
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555,
Remember I said full analogue and CD is digital so I stand by what I say a full analogue recording mastered onto vinyl or tape. Though guys I'm not trolling I was just letting Jon know that he should not dismiss an older recording to be inferior to modern recordings.
Dean..
Dean,
I must thank you for your information and see where you are coming from. Analogue is 'everything' and digital is 'bits' but a lot of them. By logic the former is better than the latter, but I must add on that surely the past had recording studios with worse microphones, worse electronics connecting to microphones, connecting to magnetic tapes of lower quality to... now?!
That is what I find so curious:
When I search various websites to get hold of XRCD2 or XRCD24 CDs - which I understand is high fidelity, all the CDs that come up were originally recorded by an orchestra in, for example, the 1950s. I mean what is going on?!!
I'm not a fan of jazz either so all the jazz CDs are not applicable to me.
In short, all the high quality techniques for making CDs (from their recording to mastering) are on original recordings that date far back to before I was born!!
Can anybody see where I'm coming from?
Regards,
Jon
Posted on: 02 January 2009 by tonym
I'm with Dean here. The Dave Brubeck LP he mentions, which I also have, is just wonderful - probably the best recording of anything I've got.
Similarly the "Ella Fitzgerald Sings" series, all recorded in the fifties, are superb recordings.
I also agree with you Jon, it doesn't make sense given the relatively unsophisticated recording technology available back then. But there you are.
Similarly the "Ella Fitzgerald Sings" series, all recorded in the fifties, are superb recordings.
I also agree with you Jon, it doesn't make sense given the relatively unsophisticated recording technology available back then. But there you are.
Posted on: 02 January 2009 by Whizzkid
Jon,
As is true with all things simplicity is always the best route but of course in todays world you have a myriad of devices to complicate simplicity. Now lets take our beloved Naim for example in their True Stereo recordings they use these to record the music.
30+ year old microphones
Two track analogue tape machine.
and they record in natural acoustics to give the sense of being there. Simplicity, the least amount of equipment a spontaneous live performance no overdubs or added effects that many studio's employ to correct mistakes in the recording in the first place. Now I'm not saying that modern studio equipment is all bad because it can be used to make music very interesting when its used to inhance the music not correct it but what I feel is that much of modern music is overproduced trying to make a performance perfect using effects units and computers and in the process ignoring what makes much music interesting, its imperfections. But back in the 40's 50's & 60's they had no such equipment so they had to make do with what they had so you have a more natural recording, and don't discount Mono as well many mono recordings from the 40's & 50's will blow you socks off, and thats why early Beatles mono records are so sort after. Also much of todays Pop & Rock music is fabricated to the point of masking the performers real talent or lack thereof. But one of the biggest crimes in modern music is the fact that its business and they are always looking to maximise their profits and therefore aim much of todays music at the low-fi equipment like mini systems, ghetto blasters and now MP3/Ipods so its no wonder people with quality systems look to the past for great recordings in that time recording engineers, producers & muscians were in the business of making great recordings of great music.
Dean..
As is true with all things simplicity is always the best route but of course in todays world you have a myriad of devices to complicate simplicity. Now lets take our beloved Naim for example in their True Stereo recordings they use these to record the music.
30+ year old microphones

Two track analogue tape machine.

and they record in natural acoustics to give the sense of being there. Simplicity, the least amount of equipment a spontaneous live performance no overdubs or added effects that many studio's employ to correct mistakes in the recording in the first place. Now I'm not saying that modern studio equipment is all bad because it can be used to make music very interesting when its used to inhance the music not correct it but what I feel is that much of modern music is overproduced trying to make a performance perfect using effects units and computers and in the process ignoring what makes much music interesting, its imperfections. But back in the 40's 50's & 60's they had no such equipment so they had to make do with what they had so you have a more natural recording, and don't discount Mono as well many mono recordings from the 40's & 50's will blow you socks off, and thats why early Beatles mono records are so sort after. Also much of todays Pop & Rock music is fabricated to the point of masking the performers real talent or lack thereof. But one of the biggest crimes in modern music is the fact that its business and they are always looking to maximise their profits and therefore aim much of todays music at the low-fi equipment like mini systems, ghetto blasters and now MP3/Ipods so its no wonder people with quality systems look to the past for great recordings in that time recording engineers, producers & muscians were in the business of making great recordings of great music.
Dean..
Posted on: 02 January 2009 by 555
Ah yes, the past ...
That wonderful warm analogue sound,
such a shame it lacks accuracy & vinyl quality is so variable!

That wonderful warm analogue sound,
such a shame it lacks accuracy & vinyl quality is so variable!

Posted on: 04 January 2009 by 555
I just did a comparison of 'Tapestry' Carol King Blu-Spec CD v 1999 Ode/Epic Uk release.
I was disappointed by my standard CD when I first heard it.
The opening track (I Feel The Earth Move) the sound stage is really muddled, & generally suffers from a muffled sonic quality. The piano sounds splashy & slightly distorted.
The Blue-Spec appears to be from the same master, but sonically so much better I'm wondering.
There's a good sense of placement, & all elements are nicely defined.
Impressively realistic piano sound, & good 'n' clear - which is particularly pleasing for the vocal.
I was disappointed by my standard CD when I first heard it.
The opening track (I Feel The Earth Move) the sound stage is really muddled, & generally suffers from a muffled sonic quality. The piano sounds splashy & slightly distorted.
The Blue-Spec appears to be from the same master, but sonically so much better I'm wondering.
There's a good sense of placement, & all elements are nicely defined.
Impressively realistic piano sound, & good 'n' clear - which is particularly pleasing for the vocal.

Posted on: 21 January 2009 by Chris Kelly
Received "Abraxas" and "Caravanserai" in Blue Spec this morning. Just listening to the former now. It sounds absolutely magic - better even than my much older MFSL gold version.
Posted on: 22 January 2009 by Don.E
SADE Diamond Life now available again on Blue-Spec. Recd. Miles Davis Kind of Blue the other day. Not had time to sit down and listen properly yet, on first brief play impressions, I would endorse what others have said, re cleaner bass lines.
Must find time to drag myself away from the forum and CD internet sites to listen to some of my recently acquired high value CD's to give proper evaluation.
Don
Must find time to drag myself away from the forum and CD internet sites to listen to some of my recently acquired high value CD's to give proper evaluation.
Don

Posted on: 23 January 2009 by ewemon
I have Santana Caravanserai (just been re-released) coming in along with a copy of Boz Scaggs Silk Degrees. As I am curious re the format.
I have a copy of the 1st Japanese pressing of Caravanserai as well as Japanese copy of the Anesini remaster and the MFSL of Silk so it will be interesting to compare them.
One thing is that cdjapan have just increased their reward points to 6% due to the Yen currency increasing in value. Effectively that is double points. However they are only doing it until sometime in Feb so buy now will save you later.
I have a copy of the 1st Japanese pressing of Caravanserai as well as Japanese copy of the Anesini remaster and the MFSL of Silk so it will be interesting to compare them.
One thing is that cdjapan have just increased their reward points to 6% due to the Yen currency increasing in value. Effectively that is double points. However they are only doing it until sometime in Feb so buy now will save you later.
Posted on: 24 January 2009 by 555
Sadly the sliding £ is making japanese CDs expensive. 

Posted on: 24 January 2009 by keith waring
not sure how the sliding pound effect the custom limits on the import duty ? hard to keep track of the cd costs .
Posted on: 24 January 2009 by Chris Kelly
quote:Sadly the sliding £ is making japanese CDs expensive.
They were expensive before John. Now they are hideously expensive!
