Like the Moonies

Posted by: nicnaim on 20 November 2005

I originally only came onto the forum to find out some information about recapping. Since then I've upraded my amp, go mad in record shops, and spend hours reading the posts.

Is anybody else worried about the amount of time they spend on the forum. Am I normal or do I need to get out more?

Nic
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Mick P
Nic

There is nothing wrong with spending your entire life on the PC as long as you enjoy it and it has no adverse affect on your family or connections.

I started on this forum 9 years ago when all I owned was a 32.5 and a 140. Today I have 2 Naim systems and it gives me a lot of pleasure and that is what life is about.

Enjoy your system and the only advice I would offer at this stage is play your system in the evening when it always sounds better due to the mains and have a glass of malt whisky in your hand as that always improves the sound.

Welcome to the club.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Nime
MALT WHISKEY NECESSARY TO ENJOY NAIM SOUND:TRUE!

Good post Mick! Razz

Hope this helps?

Nime
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by nicnaim
Thanks guys, was a bit worse for wear when I wrote this, I was at a stag night last night, and simply cannot take large quantities of beer like I could in my youth.

My real point was that I am amazed how easy to get sucked into the forum once you start. Some great observations, information and wide ranging views. It is a bit like going to the pub with 8,000 mates.

The majority of the technical stuff from the whiz-kids on the forum goes over my head, but at least there are plenty of people to ask if you do have a problem.

Had a brilliant day just listening to music non stop. Wife has been very accommodating and sypathetic today because of earlier hangover. Glass of wine now in hand, now that I have recoverd sufficiently, so life is good.

Mick, anybody that describes themself as a grumpy old git in their biog clearly does not take themselves too seriously. Had a good chuckle to that one.

Cheers

Nic
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Mick P
Nic

I have to be honest, I am a grumpy old git.

Hope your head is better.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by kuma
Nime,

How do you get the *strike through* on the text?

Nic,

Welcome to the Forum.

quote:
I started on this forum 9 years ago when all I owned was a 32.5 and a 140. Today I have 2 Naim systems and it gives me a lot of pleasure and that is what life is about.


Cheers. Winker
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by NaimThatTune
Hi kuma,

Question aimed at Nime, I know, but to get strikethrough text use the button marked ABC on the toolbar at the top of the reply dialog.

Alternatively put [*STRIKE*] text [*/STRIKE*] tags around the text you wish to strike through (but remove the stars or you'll get it out literally, as in this post).

Cheers!

Rich
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by kuma
NTT,

Thanks!
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Nime
Booger!
I was watching "Rocket Man". Ever so sad it was too.

Welcome aboard nicnaim. Truly inspired.. er.. knickname if I may say so.

Keep networking here and Mick will have you installed as the next conservative prime minister in no time. (Just humour him, alright?) Lovely! Smile
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by kuma
Naim Nime,

I learn a new thing everyday. ( or I am so easily amused. Roll Eyes )
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Nime
quote:
Originally posted by kuma:
Naim Nime,

I learn a new thing everyday. ( or I am so easily amused. Roll Eyes )


Being amused (or entertained) by something is always good.
It brings colour to a monochrome life and should not be disparaged.
Learning from it as well is even better and more easily achieved with humour.

Remembering by association of ideas works best when the association is hilarious or ridiculous.
This may explain some forms of advertising. Unfortunately.
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by nicnaim:

Is anybody else worried about the amount of time they spend on the forum. Am I normal or do I need to get out more?

Nic


Sometimes I can go almost an hour without having a peek!
Posted on: 20 November 2005 by Bruce Woodhouse
The longer i have been a member of the forum, the more music I have purchased and enjoyed.

Like Mick I've also ended up with a rather fancier system than I'd ever envisaged owning.

Looks like the forum is a fine marketing tool then!

Bruce
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Nime
Agreed Bruce.

Naim ownership is a decidely odd no-brainer. Provided one can afford to launder regular amounts of the folding stuff the strange symbiotic relationship with one's dealer continues. But will they still love you tomorrow?

Ah. But the music is the thing! Isn't it? Then why is the Music forum not the equal in posts of the Hifi Corner forum? The former has in fact 1/5 the number of posts of the latter. Self-justification for the expenditure?
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Nime,

Glad you liked the name. My name is Nic and I like Naim, not that clever really.

You make a very good point about the music forum, which I have to say I find is one of the best bits. Off to town today to finally dip my feet in the classical music pool after getting some sound advice from Tam and Fredrik.

Read a comment somewhere about discussing /upgrading hi-fi as being "willy waving". Kind of summed it up for me. Clearly mine cannot be a very big one!

Bruce, you cynic, the forum certainly benefits the likes of me who mainly buy their gear second hand as a result of others upgrading. No real financial benefit to Naim other than servicing / brand loyalty. The only new item of Naim gear I have purchased was my original Nait 2. Having said that I have never sold any of it, just gets recycled around the house, so more places to enjoy tunes.

Regards

Nic Winker
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Bruce Woodhouse
I was not being cynical really, just an observation. Having the Naim forum surely does help to foster a sense of 'brand identity' and the vast amount of free advice about upgrades does Naim no harm either. It also helps when owners are enthusiastic about their kit too, and says something for the maturity (and confidence) of the company that they allow criticism with so little moderation.

BTW I have not waved my willy on the kit pages for years!

Bruce
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Nime
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

BTW I have not waved my willy on the kit pages for years!

Bruce


That confident huh? Winker

The Music forum provided superb fuel for the system recently when I enquired about blues guitar.
Martin Simpson (amongst others) have been enjoying repeated spins of late. I managed to find four of his excellent CDs.

Having had three days rest from music (due my awful cold) the system sounds really excellent this morning.
The Hicap allows the preamp to stay warm without hurting my conscience too much over global warming.
It also makes a useful (if rather expensive) nightlight when the cat demands his moonlit tour of his patch! Smile
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Bruce,

My response was only meant as a gentle ribbing, not a rebuke. Hope no offence taken.

Your kit is indeed impressive, although slightly mystified by the 2 x 140, I'm sure you have your reasons. Read this thread recently http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/48019385/m/1522983107 would have been a perfect occasion to "whip it out" as they say.

Regards

Nic
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Bruce Woodhouse
Reasons

1) I have a small room and SBL's not a difficult speaker to drive so 140 is not over-stretched I'd say.

2) It just grew that way!

3) I have actually tested 2 x 250 but not blown away on the difference. CDX to CDS3 made a much (much, much, much) bigger jump when I had money to spend.

3) I'd have to buy another rack.

5) (The real reason on reflection and why I've stopped posting in the HiFi corner).. is that I am enjoying my music hugely and I'm not really much of a tweaker, and indeed not that curious about how else it might be improved. Satisfied sums it up.

Oh god-better do up my zipper!

Bruce
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Bruce,

Interesting comments, I will bear in mind when I have some money to upgrade pre and cdp in the future. Nice to know that someone is well satisfied with their kit.

I am also very much enjoying the difference to my listening pleasure since my 72 was recapped and the 250 was purchased.

Now back from town with a stack of Beethoven, Schubert and Mozart as recommended by Tam, Fredrik and others. I previously not had a single classical record in my collection, fear of the unknown I suppose, but I have a feeling that my listening tastes are going to expand further. Some habits die hard, I could not resist also picking up Tubby Hayes 100% Proof and Art Pepper - The Art Of Pepper.

Happy listening

Nic
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Nime
What was the effect of your 72 recap Nic? My volume control was getting a bit scratchy until the Hicap cured it! It also stopped the speakers and subwoofer from popping on switchoff too. Defensive upgrade? Cool
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by u5227470736789439
quote:
Originally posted by nicnaim:

[...].

Now back from town with a stack of Beethoven, Schubert and Mozart as recommended by Tam, Fredrik and others. I previously not had a single classical record in my collection, fear of the unknown I suppose, but I have a feeling that my listening tastes are going to expand further. Some habits die hard, I could not resist also picking up Tubby Hayes 100% Proof and Art Pepper - The Art Of Pepper.

Happy listening

Nic


Dear Nic,

How did your music shopping go! What did you get? I really hope that you enjoy it and it helps break down the silly mystic of classical music as separate. Enjoy it!!!

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Nime,

Just seems so much clearer and full of life, real 3D sound, where it had previously seemed by comparrison dull, lifeless and flat. Obviously as the sound quality degrades gradually, you almost get used to it, it is only when you hear something better that the veil is lifted.

The picture is however slightly complicated by the fact that I also switched amp. Perhaps better explain the history:

My original 72/140 combo (1992) were bought from my brother (who had had them from new) about 6 or 7 years ago, when he switched to a valve set up.

A couple of years ago I bought my current speakers and went through a fairly lengthy break in period.

I felt that something was missing and started making enquiries. I was advised that adding a HiCap would probably give the best bang for buck, but that I should also think about a service as they had never been opened up from new.

Bought the Hicap and it did make quite an appreciable difference, but something was still missing.

I checked the cost of serviceing with Naim and ended up wondering whether the cost of a service outweighed an upgrade. At this point I was steered in the direction of the forum by the Naim service department. In the end I decided I had to do something and put the 72/140 in for a service with my local Naim dealer.

Cruising the forum it was suggested that I might consider a bigger amp for my speakers. I then spotted a recapped Chrome 250 on eBay, which turned out to be from the same dealer. At this point I was still an eBay as well a forum virgin, but ended up winning the 250.

There was then a really frustrating three week delay waiting to get my pre back from service (parts shortage).

When everything came back I did a comparrison between the 140 and the 250, which was probably unfair as the 140 was cold but the 250 had been on for 3 weeks. The 250 perhaps predictably blew the socks off the 140, which now sits in my second system.

Sorry for the life history but it helps to put the improvements in context.

Defensive upgrade? Possibly, but overall improvement in listening pleasure is palpable, without really understanding the mechanics of why.

The mantra always seems to be source first, so eventually when funds allows I will upgrade those areas. In the mean time I'm just enjoying the music.

Nic
Big Grin
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by Nime:
The Hicap allows the preamp to stay warm without hurting my conscience too much over global warming.



quote:
Date: 29-Mar-98 03:55
Author: julian vereker
Subject: Bias


All Naim power amps are class B and they have as low a bias as we can manage, just a few milliamps.

There are two reasons for doing this, in order to make a good push/pull power amp, the two halves need to match very closely since there is only one common feedback loop - this applies whatever the 'class' of the amp. If one achieves this degree of precision then one only needs a very small bias current.

Also it is extremely wasteful of resources making class A power amps, since they use large amounts of electricity even when they are not playing music, this means the waste heat has to be dissipated into the atmosphere without overheating the components and thus shortening their lives, which implies large heatsinks, big heavy and expensive in terms of resources pieces of equipment.

There are quite a few power amps about, that are called class A for marketing reasons, but are in fact to all intents and purposes, class B. (Save the planet - buy class B).

julian
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Martin,

Just read your profile. I am not worthy to be on the same page.

Humbly

Nic
Posted on: 21 November 2005 by nicnaim
Fredrik,

Not quite sure how you managed to slip that reply in above, (below Nime's) I'm sure it was not there before when I replied to him.

Since I last posted to you, slowly moving through the pack of new CD's currently on Beethoven No 3. A very different listening experience to my normal musical genres, but an uplifting one.

See that both you and Nime have been bandying words with Berlin Fritz in another thread. Not sure what is irking him but it seems pretty deep rooted. Life is too short to be that pissed off in my view.

Nic