Music Which Hasn't Aged Well

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Originally posted by TomK:
No brickbats, just a different opinion. The Doors for me were an irrelevance in their day, even more so now. Can't understand why you think they're international icons while Hendrix is a nostalgia trip. Have you read the papers or listened to the radio in recent months?

Well, just talking to young people from various countries recently - the French and Italians especially seem to love the Doors (and the Beatles and Dylan). The Hendrix thing is my own take, and I think I was just making the point that he was absolutely at the top of everyone's lists back in the day, & maybe hasn't aged as well as some others - I just don't play it much, there you go.

Actually the Doors for a brief time were hugely important especially in the US - obviously had a profound effect on Oliver Stone. Went out of favour soon after though.

I can't recall Sir Keith Emerson saying anything against the ELP albums and they are still happy to perform them.

I like King Crimson and Pink Floyd, but prefer ELP. Surely the best KC and PF elpees were their first, whereas with ELP they just got better all the time until Love Beach, which was contractual.

Beyond ELP, there is the wonderful stuff Keith did with the Nice. And if you want a real treat then investigate the album Emerson plays Emerson.

Pictures at an Exhibition is an early work for ELP. The studio version is quite exemplary.

I know a lot of people like to knock ELP because they didn't behave like a rock band, were top rate musicians and wrote carefully scored works. However, you'll find few elpees to match Tarkus or Brain Salad Surgery from the '70s. DSOTM would not appear in my top 50, 70s elpees - although I quite like it.

I guess we are all going to have different views, but at least we can all agree that most punk is dated and the Eagles, James Taylor, Jackson Browne was that all about? Martha and the Muffins apart, the early 80s stuff was dire - I mean do people really listen to New Order (now that really does seem dated, but I don't recall liking it much at the time) Perhaps, it is because I'm a listener, not a dancer that I like what I do or perhaps I'm just outdated, barking mad and still playing Atomic Rooster records.

Think I'll play the Valentine Suite ..........

You know there are times when ROTF is just RIGHT!

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Originally posted by ROTF:
but at least we can all agree that most punk is dated ..........

Well it seems this thread is just another reflection of peoples' idiosyncratic tastes - not that there's anything wrong with that, mind.

New Rose still sounds great to me as do other Damned tracks. Tons of the Clash is still fabulous eg Clampdown; Bankrobber; White Man in Hammersmith Palais, and so on. Listened to the Banshees a few weeks back and Christine/Israel/Arabian Knights were great and I'm invariably inclined toward some of the many great Stranglers tracks on Youtube (eg Live at the Hope n Anchor) after a few glasses of wine at the weekend. Hearing the Pistols is a delight (don't put them on much at home right enough). I could go on....

Andy

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I'm invariably inclined toward some of the many great Stranglers tracks on Youtube

They were a prog-rock group who used to cover Burt Bacharach songs and sound a bit like Dave Brubeck at other times and were just Hanging Around.

At the outset in 76/77 there were some interesting bands such as the Buzzcocks and the Clash - both of whom wrote some rather nice tunes (said in a Viv Stanshall type voice). There were even some bands who made outstanding records like the Television Personalities, Desperate Bicycles and Televison.

I think you've picked some of the more musical ones in your list, but there were some dire groups like the New York Dolls, Ramones and Wayne County & the Electric Chairs who people seem to look back on something special and I never ever understand why - and when people I knew started playing records by an insurance advertiser called Iggy, I felt this wasn't quite the scence for me. You see none of them could play Louie Louie properly despite wanting to be the Kingsmen ... and the worst of the bands ended up at Factory Records with Tony Wilson - a sort of humourless Michael Heseltine doppelganger who made a career out of deriding good musicians while instigating some rather dull depressing stuff himself or so it goes ...

As you say it is all personal taste in the end .... still here is one of the better characters from the new wave of 77



ATB Rotf

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Originally posted by ROTF:

I know a lot of people like to knock ELP because they didn't behave like a rock band, were top rate musicians and wrote carefully scored works.

Nah they like to knock them because they were unspeakably awful and pretentious.

And the Clash were never a punk band. They were so much more which is why they still sound fabulous.

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Originally posted by TomK:

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Originally posted by ROTF:

I know a lot of people like to knock ELP because they didn't behave like a rock band, were top rate musicians and wrote carefully scored works.

Nah they like to knock them because they were ... pretentious.

And the Clash were never a punk band. They were so much more which is why they still sound fabulous.

I lie the Clash - there music cleared out all the AOR stuff that I hated like Fleetwod Mac, the Eagles and lots or bands that ended with 'er. People used to sit and listen to REO Speedwagon So agreed the Clash still sound OK if not an enduring and enjoyable of Sir Keith Emerson who really is a national treasure. You say Sir Keith was pretentious ... and I thought you didn't like the great man for a moment. I love pretentious (feeling happy 'cos I just answered ever single question in a round of Mastermind correctly on tonight's programme - the last set on Progressive Rock - not so hot on the old general knowledge tho').

I'd thoroughly recommend this timeless compilation, not by Sir Keith, but by the wonderful Gentle Giant



PRETENTIOUS FOR THE SAKE OF IT

One of music's great gents - a national treasure and a very fine piano player and his mate Oscar isn't too shabby either.

Rather glad I didn't know all the answers on Mastermind.

I love the title of that Gentle Giant album although I've never heard anything by them. I liked the Nice though. Every student party I attended in the early 70s would have at least an hour of them blasting away at a million decibels. Brilliant.

ELP I seriously could not stomach and Tarkus in particular I found completely unlistenable. Imagine a nail down a blackboard as that's what it sounded like to me. Don't know why I took such a dislike as I had a few friends who rated them highly.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

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I'm invariably inclined toward some of the many great Stranglers tracks on Youtube

They were a prog-rock group who used to cover Burt Bacharach songs and sound a bit like Dave Brubeck at other times and were just Hanging Around.

At the outset in 76/77 there were some interesting bands such as the Buzzcocks and the Clash - both of whom wrote some rather nice tunes (said in a Viv Stanshall type voice). There were even some bands who made outstanding records like the Television Personalities, Desperate Bicycles and Televison.

I think you've picked some of the more musical ones in your list, but there were some dire groups like the New York Dolls, Ramones and Wayne County & the Electric Chairs who people seem to look back on something special and I never ever understand why - and when people I knew started playing records by an insurance advertiser called Iggy, I felt this wasn't quite the scence for me. You see none of them could play Louie Louie properly despite wanting to be the Kingsmen ... and the worst of the bands ended up at Factory Records with Tony Wilson - a sort of humourless Michael Heseltine doppelganger who made a career out of deriding good musicians while instigating some rather dull depressing stuff himself or so it goes ...

As you say it is all personal taste in the end .... still here is one of the better characters from the new wave of 77



ATB Rotf

Good stuff

I bought Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells in a charity shop recently. That really has not aged well IMHO. Perhaps we were entranced by the technology at the time and failed to notice that it is not terribly good?

Bruce