Dave Douglas

I agree that Dave Douglas is really good, and I've enjoyed much of his music.

Better than Miles and Coltrane? You'll have to explain that one, Nuno ... you mean simply that you enjoy Douglas more, or are you saying that you think Douglas is a better musician, composer, more influential on the history of jazz, etc., than Miles or Coltrane?

If the former, that's your personal taste, with which no one can argue. If the latter, however, even Dave Douglas himself would vehemently disagree.

Fred

Yes,what I mean is that I enjoy more the comtemporaneous Jazz.

And my system plays jazz so well!

Just keep in mind that without Miles or Coltrane, Dave Douglas's music wouldn't be what it is ... they made the blueprint for him and thousands of others.

Fred

What another jazz musicians should I listen?I mean,comtemporaneous jazz musicians so good as Douglas.Can anyone give me a short list?

Nuno - glad to hear that there is a fellow Dave Douglas fan out there. I am playing a lot of his music at the moment. It is so good, enjoyable, varied and challenging but accessible.

My favourite recent purchase is his CD Live at the Bimhuis that is available direct from his website Greenleaf Music. It is a quintet CD with Uri Caine and just first class. Also worth checking out is his new CD Meaning and Mystery again from Greenleaf.

I am now going through all his work with Masada and John Zorn as well. I don't know if you have listened to this, but again there is some excellent stuff here. Two Masada CD's to look at that I could recommend are Masada Live at Tonic and Sanhedrin that is a compilation of unreleased outtakes from Masada sessions and gives a great overview of the Masada catalogue - nicely packaged as well. The of course you could get the ten Masada CD's released on the DIW label if you are keen.

Happy listening.

Adrian

Hi Nuno,

Dave Douglas is one of my favorites too


if you like his music I suggest oyu to check these artists...

Dave Holland
Charles Lloyd
Jason Moran
and Joe Lovano

Slightly differ styles, but imho great music and as Adrian wrote "challenging but accessible"...

regards,
Marco

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Originally posted by Nuno Baptista:
What another jazz musicians should I listen?I mean,comtemporaneous jazz musicians so good as Douglas.Can anyone give me a short list?

Keith Jarrett
Larry Goldings
Brad Mehldau
Pat Metheny
John Scofield
Chris Potter
Charles Lloyd
Wayne Shorter

... to name a very few.

Fred

Fred-
interesting that you should name Wayne Shorter, amongst others, as being part of a "contemporaneous" jazz list. Shorter was part of the blue note hard bop scene, producing some of the most classic jazz tunes from that era. Yet, as you point out, manages to stay current. Remarkable.
I would imagine that he's old enough to be Douglas' grandfather, and I mean that in the most positive regard.

Regards
Max

Yes, Shorter has always looked forward.

And not far behind in age are Charles Lloyd and Keith Jarrett, both still as strong and vital as ever.

Fred

Hey, Nuno, I suspect you more prefer the sound quality of the contemporary jazz than the music

Anyway, just off the top of my head here are a few CDs you might like:

Orrin Evans - "Listen to the Band"
Kenny Wheeler - "What Now?"
Bennie Maupin - "Penumbra"
Sam Rivers - "Fluid Motion"
Greg Osby - "The Invisible Hand"
Matt Wilson - "Humidity"
Paul McCandles - "Shapeshifter"
Amina Figarova - "September Suite"

They're all more or less recent albums, recorded well, and the music is also very good, IMO.

The eponymous Wynton Marsalis - the album with Father Time. A lot of people don't like him and say his brother's much better, but I think this album is really good. Not sure about his other stuff though - especially that album with the train sounds on it. What about Ravi Coltrane? I have Mad 6 but haven't given it a chance yet.

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Originally posted by trane:
Hey, Nuno, I suspect you more prefer the sound quality of the contemporary jazz than the music

Anyway, just off the top of my head here are a few CDs you might like:

Orrin Evans - "Listen to the Band"
Kenny Wheeler - "What Now?"
Bennie Maupin - "Penumbra"
Sam Rivers - "Fluid Motion"
Greg Osby - "The Invisible Hand"
Matt Wilson - "Humidity"
Paul McCandles - "Shapeshifter"
Amina Figarova - "September Suite"

They're all more or less recent albums, recorded well, and the music is also very good, IMO.

Great list, trane, agreed for the ones that I know/own (finally somebody sharing my admiration for Penumbra...)

Nuno,
listening to Dave Douglas (Meaning and Mystery), myself, now, and wholeheartedly (for once ) agree with you !

cheers
Stefan

Thank you guys,now I can look for a few comtemporany Jazz albuns!

I´ve bought today a couple of albuns of Joe Lovano.They are great!

What are they, Nuno ?
A big Lovano fan, here, too !

cheers
Stefan

The last one:Joe Lovano Ensemble"Streams of expression" 2006 and "Joyous Encounter" 2005.
I don´t know yet if I should buy "I´m all for you"a ballad songbook.
I was in the store when I heard "Streems of expression" and so I bought it.To tell the true I didn´t know Joe Lavano,I know very well the Jazz classics,not so well the contemporaneous artists

matt wilson?

try bobby previte (weather clear, track fast) and paul motian.

it's the drummers that have interesting bands.

i am not a drummer.

but drunk. previte and motian are great anyway.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thorsten:
matt wilson?

try bobby previte (weather clear, track fast) and paul motian.



Are you making suggestion to me or to Nuno?

trane,

well to anyone who cares, actually.

but i guess i was thinking of nuno because anyone who goes as far into modernjazz that he is aware of the publication of records by a drummer called matt wilson does not need advice.

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Originally posted by Thorsten:
trane,

well to anyone who cares, actually.

but i guess i was thinking of nuno because anyone who goes as far into modernjazz that he is aware of the publication of records by a drummer called matt wilson does not need advice.

OK. Nice to see that even at the Naim forum people like real jazz , and speaking of drummers, let's not forget Andrew Cyrille, Jack DeJohnette, Rashied Ali and Bob Moses, to name a few...

One thing, though, I never could understand is Motian's fascination with Bill Frisell.

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Originally posted by trane:

OK. Nice to see that even at the Naim forum people like real jazz ...
One thing, though, I never could understand is Motian's fascination with Bill Frisell.

What's "real" jazz?

What's wrong with Frisell?

These are my questions.

Fred

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fred simon

What's "real" jazz?

There is no absolute definition for that, and, if you haven't noticed, I put a smiley at the end of my remark. Whatever might float my boat could sound crappy to you or otherwise. But personally, in contemporary jazz, I prefer modern-creative direction, leaning to avant-garde, and absolutely can't get mainstream. Ever heard of Clean Feed record?


What's wrong with Frisell?

Nothing. It's just using the same gutar player for over a two decades is a bit too long, IMO.

Could you name a few of your favorite jazz albums from the '90s up to now?

Erik

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Originally posted by trane:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fred simon
What's wrong with Frisell?

Nothing.

ooooooooohhhhhhhhh, frisell.

i simply love frisell. have a little faith and unspeakable are two of my records for the island. (if i am allowed to take 50 records, if it was just 10, ouch, well, now, then it would be unspeakable.)

real jazz?

there's the real book, isn't it?

that must be real jazz then?

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Originally posted by Thorsten:
i simply love frisell. have a little faith and unspeakable are two of my records for the island. (if i am allowed to take 50 records, if it was just 10, ouch, well, now, then it would be unspeakable.)

No, you are not allowed to take 50 records... not even 10... not even 5... Well, 7 is OK. Now speak about unspeakable
What would be your choice?