Dave Douglas

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Originally posted by trane:

What's "real" jazz?

I prefer modern-creative direction, leaning to avant-garde, and absolutely can't get mainstream.

Ironic, given that there are probably more folks out there who define jazz precisely as the mainstream stuff you don't like. And many of those same folks eschew avant-garde as exactly "not jazz."

Also, ironic in that your nom de plume is Trane, who, although he moved into the avant-garde, for legions of saxophone players (and other instrumentalists) he defined mainstream jazz.

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What's wrong with Frisell?

Nothing. It's just using the same gutar player for over a two decades is a bit too long, IMO.

But is it really the length of his tenure with Motian, or rather that you're just not that enamored of Frisell to begin with? If it were someone else, your all-time favorite guitarist, instead of Frisell, would you still object to a decades-long musical association?

For many musicians, when you find someone you're completely simpatico with, the music just keeps getting deeper and richer, the musical relationship more and more rewarding. Why would someone want to give that up?

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Could you name a few of your favorite jazz albums from the '90s up to now?

Here's a tiny smattering, all recorded since I was born ...

Personal Mountains - Keith Jarrett
Native Dancer - Wayne Shorter
Gnu High - Kenny Wheeler
Lyle Mays - Lyle Mays
Changes 1 and 2 - Charles Mingus
Silent Feet - Eberhard Weber
Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter
Facing You - Keith Jarrett
Coltrane - John Coltrane
Blues Dream - Bill Frisell
In A Silent Way - Miles Davis
Bright Size Life - Pat Metheny
Open, to Love - Paul Bley
Oregon In Moscow - Oregon
Quartet - Larry Goldings
Unspeakable - Bill Frisell
Rubisa Patrol - Art Lande
The Way Up - Pat Metheny Group
I Sing the Body Electric - Weather Report

... I'll arbitrarily stop here.

Fred

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Originally posted by fred simon:

quote:

Originally posted by trane:

What's "real" jazz?

I prefer modern-creative direction, leaning to avant-garde, and absolutely can't get mainstream.

Ironic, given that there are probably more folks out there who define jazz precisely as the mainstream stuff you don't like. And many of those same folks eschew avant-garde as exactly "not jazz."

Also, ironic in that your nom de plume is Trane, who, although he moved into the avant-garde, for legions of saxophone players (and other instrumentalists) he defined mainstream jazz.

quote:

What's wrong with Frisell?

Nothing. It's just using the same gutar player for over a two decades is a bit too long, IMO.

But is it really the length of his tenure with Motian, or rather that you're just not that enamored of Frisell to begin with? If it were someone else, your all-time favorite guitarist, instead of Frisell, would you still object to a decades-long musical association?

For many musicians, when you find someone you're completely simpatico with, the music just keeps getting deeper and richer, the musical relationship more and more rewarding. Why would someone want to give that up?

Fred,

Are you replying to me or somebody else? Where did I define my listening preferences as being "real jazz". Read my original post as a whole, not the selective quote you made from it. I am a bit old for "mine is better than yours" BS, and I've been listening to jazz for over 35 years, have about 6000 jazz albums which cover pretty much everything from be-bop to avant-garde. So, I don't have to proove anything to anyone. Life is too short.

As far as mainstream goes, once again, read my original post--I was talking about contemporary mainstream, something like Marsalis or N.Y. Hardbop Quintet, so I don't get your comment on Coltrane either.

Regarding Frisell--where did I say or imply that I don't like him? Even if I don't, what is it, taboo here not to dig him? But I definitely believe "decades-long musical association" does not necessarily lead into continuous and endless creative collaboration. You need fresh blood from time to time to create something new, IMO.

I appreciate your effort in providing the list of favorite albums, but there were only 5 out of 19 that were recorded after 1990.

Erik

P.S. Look, somehow I got an impession that I'm bugging you. If this is the case it's better to stop corresponding. I'm new here and want to make friends, not enemies.

trane,

7. it's more classical than jazz. thank god we don't have to decide.

-carlos kleiber - brahms 4th
-carlos kleiber - beethovens 5th
-bach - complete works (i hope it's out there so that i can have it all in one box and that counts as one)
-peter herbolzheimer rhythm combination and brass 20 years live at stadtgarten köln
-red hot chili peppers dani californication
- bill frisell, now, unspeakable

that's six.

oh, pat metheny - 80/81. that's seven but i would need a turntable.


fred,

the way up - i am still not sure what to think of it. but your recommendation makes me wanting to listen to it another time. i love american garage so much and like those cinemascope-recordings from the late 90s.